Honda moving towards diesel over hybrid
#21
Re: Honda moving towards diesel over hybrid
Originally Posted by kdhspyder
There may be some orchestration to all of this as well or just plain and simple competition from two keen rivals.
I say let Honda and Toyota have at it. Toyota's bigger, but think what they can do with Honda nipping at their heels. It is nice to see capitalism working like it's supposed to.
#22
Re: Honda moving towards diesel over hybrid
Originally Posted by blinkard
Competition? Ford and GM used to have that once, I seem to recall, before they retreated to their corners and decided to rely on marketing to differentiate their products.
I say let Honda and Toyota have at it. Toyota's bigger, but think what they can do with Honda nipping at their heels. It is nice to see capitalism working like it's supposed to.
I say let Honda and Toyota have at it. Toyota's bigger, but think what they can do with Honda nipping at their heels. It is nice to see capitalism working like it's supposed to.
#23
Re: Honda moving towards diesel over hybrid
Originally Posted by Orcrone
Actually if we were letting capitalism work like it's supposed to we wouldn't be getting tax credits for hybrids.
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#24
Re: Honda moving towards diesel over hybrid
What about "Think Green Go Yellow"? After all, there are several DOZEN E85 gas stations nationwide, and the govermnent treats an Escalade as a 96 MPG vehicle when running E85, ha ha ha! That's Detroit Environmentalism!
#25
Re: Honda moving towards diesel over hybrid
Originally Posted by AshenGrey
What about "Think Green Go Yellow"? After all, there are several DOZEN E85 gas stations nationwide, and the govermnent treats an Escalade as a 96 MPG vehicle when running E85, ha ha ha! That's Detroit Environmentalism!
#26
Re: Honda moving towards diesel over hybrid
Originally Posted by worthywads
9.6 mpg? That's realistic. What's this 96?
#27
Re: Honda moving towards diesel over hybrid
Originally Posted by livvie
It was. If a diesel can do better than a hybrid in FE, that in itself tells me that you are polluting less but the mere fact that you are using less fuel.
I don't buy the arguement that just by owning a hybrid you are polluting less... it's all about context. Sure my HCH gets better FE than my MINI, but guess which car polluts less? It's my MINI because I drive 9 miles to my HCH 40 miles.
The technology exist right now and is being used right now for diesel to pollute less. If bio-diesel (algae derived) takes off, well it's a win/win. The hybrids as they stand now still use gasoline (with 10% ethanol) which means they will pollute more.
I don't buy the arguement that just by owning a hybrid you are polluting less... it's all about context. Sure my HCH gets better FE than my MINI, but guess which car polluts less? It's my MINI because I drive 9 miles to my HCH 40 miles.
The technology exist right now and is being used right now for diesel to pollute less. If bio-diesel (algae derived) takes off, well it's a win/win. The hybrids as they stand now still use gasoline (with 10% ethanol) which means they will pollute more.
Originally Posted by bwilson4web
I love it!
short range EV - any distance is OK and preferably as option packages: (1) 1-2 mile standard, (2) 20 miles, option 1, (3) 40 miles, option 2 . . . Make the EV battery assembly for the options something that can be installed and removed so on a vacation or towing, the extra weight and space is available for luggage and sundries.
hybrid transmission - regenerative braking and provides standard EV mode.
diesel - sized for a sustained top speed of say 90 mph, turbo charged of course. Have optional tow package sized engine too. Also, needs an optional E100 and natural gas fuel capability.
exhaust heat recovery - provides auxillary cabin heating in the winter and uses ammonium absorbtion cooling cycle in the summer.
double-walled roof and light sensitive glass - tints the windows in sunlight and keeps the radiant heat out of the cabin.
radar assisted brakes, horn and cruise control - allows safe drafting of simularly equipped vehicles and trucks. Also, sounds the horn prior to a collision, automaticly.
rear view cameras - only one cabin, rear view mirror and the rest use low-profile, rear view cameras. Optional, front view, low-light camera for assisted night driving.
Now we're talking a serious 21st century vehicle.
Bob Wilson
short range EV - any distance is OK and preferably as option packages: (1) 1-2 mile standard, (2) 20 miles, option 1, (3) 40 miles, option 2 . . . Make the EV battery assembly for the options something that can be installed and removed so on a vacation or towing, the extra weight and space is available for luggage and sundries.
hybrid transmission - regenerative braking and provides standard EV mode.
diesel - sized for a sustained top speed of say 90 mph, turbo charged of course. Have optional tow package sized engine too. Also, needs an optional E100 and natural gas fuel capability.
exhaust heat recovery - provides auxillary cabin heating in the winter and uses ammonium absorbtion cooling cycle in the summer.
double-walled roof and light sensitive glass - tints the windows in sunlight and keeps the radiant heat out of the cabin.
radar assisted brakes, horn and cruise control - allows safe drafting of simularly equipped vehicles and trucks. Also, sounds the horn prior to a collision, automaticly.
rear view cameras - only one cabin, rear view mirror and the rest use low-profile, rear view cameras. Optional, front view, low-light camera for assisted night driving.
Now we're talking a serious 21st century vehicle.
Bob Wilson
Also, I would also suggest a high airflow circulation fan, with wide low-restriction vents, including ventilated seats (the driver could run this exclusively for more economy, as all you'd need to heat or cool is the person, or along with the normal vents). Implement sound cancellation through the speakers to kill any fan noise.
Finally, with this amazingly clean acoustic environment, put in a very high quality sound system.
Also, implement a GPS-aware system for the hybrid drivetrain so that the computer could "know" that the car is about to, say, climb a 4-mile 6% grade, then it could intelligently use battery power (exhaust just enough power on the climb that it can refill on the descent). It could also implement some sort of adaptive programming that would recognize and tune the charge/assist algorthims to specific, frequently repeated routes -- such as a commute to work.
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