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Old Dec 15, 2017 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by lvflyer
I use the word optimal in context of what was written. I dont understand. Now that our temps are below freezing the readings are quite different. So I am clueless. I want to learm to drive this most economically as possible. Uber and Lyft doesnt pay enough to be wasteful. So now at 28 degrees outside it doesn't go into autostop unless pack temp is 53 Degrees and then only below 10mph.

The volts and soc are quite a bit different at these temps also. Sitting at 59degrees bat pack temp it is in autostop at 15.3v on each bank at 57.6% soc then starts at 14.7v and 54.5% soc.

It seems the economy gauge on dash doesn't help with monitoring best drive skills so is there any other reading to keep my eye on?


Now you're seeing the struggle of equating voltage to SoC. You're seeing just the temperature influence. The current influence is even greater.


Trust the Torque reported numbers. They are accurate.


Heater use almost completely disables auto-stop as the gas engine/coolant/heater core is the only source of heat. Turn off heater/defrosters when you don't have a fare. Consider turning the car off altogether when you're not moving - a forced auto-stop of sorts. The average vehicle uses something like 7-10 seconds worth of idle fuel to start the engine. A car that is OFF uses ZERO fuel and near zero battery capacity.


For maximum mpg, drive it as conservatively as possible - just like any other SUV/car. Use gentle acceleration and increase your braking distance (lighter braking over longer distance) to maximize regen. Conservative driving maximizes mpgs and maximizes battery life.


NiMH is sluggish in cold weather. Below 50°F, it doesn't respond well to high current charging.


You are driving a large inefficient vehicle compared to smaller cars. You are also driving it in a worst-case scenario. There's not much you can do beyond the above.


Good luck!


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Old Dec 15, 2017 | 09:19 AM
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100 KPH m trying to discover is mine working correctly. I would think with gas engine running while sitting that the system would charge up to optimal SoC


I cited "optimal" SOC. There will be rare cases where you can get SOC above 65%. Yours is operating as it should.


In old below freezing to get auto-Stop you need a warmed up engine above 70C
Warmed up transmission above 20C
Warmed up battery above 10C


Now as I drove home from teaching ski lessons last night at -1F with front and rear heat on, V4 on the interstate barely let the engine warm up.


Heating the cabin front and rear in a 6000lb 7-passenger SUV takes heat from the engine and it will come back on sooner to do the job.


That Efficiency gage... STOP looking at it! Unless you keep it in the middle of the GREEN it is useless.

Another big confusion out there is whether there is a drive connection between the engine and the motors.


What part of four ( 4 ) Fixed Gears did I not make clear? What part of the math for engine speed did not make sense?


GEARS and clutches do that. In fact in Gear 3 the engine, front motor, back motor, and driveshaft are ALL LOCKED together and spin as one!


If you floor the vehicle, it will use more gas. If you brake real hard, you will use more brake pads.


Most hyper-milers go well over 150,000 miles before they need brake pads.


If you have dark dusty front wheels from brake pad dust, you are NOT allowing Re-Gen to do its job.


Lastly: If you are getting data from that HV battery, Pay much more attention to POWER going in and out. Know this, it's all about power and energy.


If the battery can provide 35kW ( 47 Hp ) and vehicle loads are 1.25kW and engine start is about 8kW you now have 25.75kW (34.5 horse power ) for propulsion. Accelerating 6000 lbs with only 35 Hp isn't fast at all.


Re-Generative braking on ONLY the back wheels has stability parameters to look out for or you do ballet moves. Again that 35kW (47Hp) limit on what you can shove in.


Learning to drive with POWER controlled within limits will give you the best overall fuel economy, especially very long decelerations riding a fine line between 25 and 30 kW.


If you have the ability to record data do some math. Kinetic energy = 1/2 Mass * velocity squared. Kg(mass) times speed (meters per second) at lets say 100kph (62mph)


solve for your Joules


Then using HV pack voltage and current and some Calculus compare what percent of that you can learn how to drive to recover. I can routinely get 62% I'm pretty sure SKieth can do it in a Prius too.
 

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Old Feb 24, 2018 | 09:58 AM
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Hey guys, sorry to bump an old thread but I recently picked up an OBD II bluetooth interface (KIWI 3) and am using the OBD Fusion iOS app (appears to be same PID config parameters to Android Torque Pro app). So far I’ve entered the PIDs from this thread and they are working well. In a quest to monitor more data (like battery pack temp, inlet/outlet temps) I am having trouble trying to derive how a Scangauge PID MTH parameter would translate to a PID equation parameter in Fusion. Doing some more searching online I’m not finding anything useful...does anyone know Scangauge MTH value with something like (in Red)...


Hybrid Battery SOC (%)
TXD: 07E7222411
RXF: 046205240611
RXD: 3008
MTH: 006400FF0000

...converts to a Torque Pro/OBD Fusion equation like

(A*100/255)

Thanks!
 
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