You were banned from Yahoo for #1 posting lies, and #2 posting theories as fact. And you were gently asked to post opinions as opinions. Opinions are always welcome. You just mis-lead readers sometimes, that's all. I'm sure most of it is unintentional.

It is your burden to provide PROOF ( a picture would do the trick ) of the mechanical neutral disconnect you sing praises of, since it is impossible for me to take a picture of something that does not exist. You have never ever provided such proof. Sorry, a snippit here and a vague reference there, and some obscure "patent office" document proves nothing, other than some engineer, at some point in the past, discussed an idea. The burden is on you to prove your case. I also believe you do not understand all the terminology you read and how it is used, and many of your posts support this. I know getting great MPG is one of your strengths, but language and grammar is not. And that's alright. Pobody's nerfect!

You also seem to not understand the "deadband" coasting method, or how to do it and use it. Let me describe it to you again so you can try it at home.

Tests I did over a year ago:

#1 Placed my front tires on a chalk line at the top of a steep ( 12% ) paved road. Placed the FEH into neutral, turned off the key (FAS), released the brake, and coasted to a dead stop. Total distance was about 3/4 mile. Marked resting point of front tires with chalk line on pavement.

#2 Placed my front tires on same chalk line at the top of the same hill. Kept the FEH in "run" and was in EV but no FAS. Placed the FEH into neutral, released the brake and coasted to a dead stop. The resting point of the front tires was 5 feet short of test #1 above. This = identical results when you consider 5 feet out of 3/4 mile.

#3 Placed my front tires on the same chalk line at the top of the same hill.
Kept the FEH in run, and was in EV but no FAS. Placed the FEH into drive, released the brake, started rolling, and watched the Navi to keep "deadband" or no energy flow arrows on screen. Deadband is achievable by pressing the gas pedal about 2mm to cancel out all regen. At the bottom of the hill, I shifted to neutral at 7 mph to avoid the "creep" at 6mph and under, that would assist my distance. I rolled to a dead stop and marked the position of my front wheels. I stopped about 15 feet further than line #1. This = identical results when you consider 15 feet out of 3/4 mile.

#4 Placed my front tires on the same chalk line at the top of the same hill. Kept the ICE running via Max A/C on. Placed the FEH into drive, released the brake, started rolling, and watched the Navi to keep "deadband" conditions. Again, shifted to neutral at 7mph to avoid "creep" and rolled to a dead stop. This time my front wheels stopped 35-40 feet further than line #1. Better coast? Or did I get some assist? Probably the second, but still, 40 feet out of 4000 feet is 1% and statistically close enough to be called equal to all the other tests.

Conclusions:

Coasting in a "deadband" condition in drive ( no regen, no assist ) is the same as coasting in neutral.

Coasting in Drive without ~2mm pedal press will cause mild regen, and slow you down. Thus coasting in neutral is easier for the human driver.

Coasting deadband may be difficult, to near impossible to do consistantly without the Nav screen.

There is no mechanical difference between coasting in drive, and coasting in neutral. The only difference is how the electronics make the car behave.

Since then, if I need to coast for less than 1/2 a mile, I coast deadband and get fantastic city results, like 54 MPG and up in favorable weather. I do it every day. If I have a long mountain to coast down, I'll shift to N just for ease of use, so I can relax my foot. Either way, I get the same MPG as GaryG under similar conditions.

There is no mechanical advantage to neutral coasting. Believe me, I've spent more time and effort on this than anyone. I live in a hilly region and have daily opportunities to practice various coasting methods. If there were an obvious advantage to neutral coasting I'd be using it. I'm still not #1 on the mileage database, so I know I have room to improve!

 

Thanks BillyK

I'm sure Ford has people monitoring this site, but they are not interested in what I know about a vehicle they designed. Ford can't hide their patents though. As far as my techniques, I sure they stay up on how we operate the FEH/MMH for future mods.

As you can see from the last few post, two posters have responded negatively to my first post back to this board in a while. The first response called me names and the moderator ignored it. This is why I don't expect to post here much longer. The so called new member is pretending to be a first time poster without an FEH/MMH. This is a poster from the "other side", and should be banned for creating other ID's for creating confusion here on GH. Name calling is a violation of the rules of this site. Banning this individual may also ban the "other side" member with the same computer address. If they come back under their old name, their post will start as their first post. I call on the moderator to take action now.

The Owner of the FEH yahoo site was disappointed in GPSman1's ban of me and ask me to return. I'm still undecided till I see the owner gets him under control. The same for this site.

GaryG

 

Please try to stay on topic.
I spoke with the owner/starter of the Yahoo group weeks ago and told him he should invite GaryG back to post after a few days of cool down. End of story.

 

You call on action? How about you use the button within the problematic post to actually, you know, get action?

Secondly, I ignored it? Did you somehow get access to all the private messages sent and recieved on this board? Did you get access to the infraction system? I'm not going to discuss with you what actions are or are not going to be taken, but to state that I ignored it is factually false.

Thirdly, if you suspect that a member is using multiple ID's, again, why not report it? This is a violation of GH's rules.

Again, if anyone here has a problem with another user, report it to the mod staff. Sometimes the action will be swift, and sometimes it will wait for the problematic users response.

Perhaps you need to take a deep breath and relax a bit. Recall your own words: https://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/...00&postcount=4 the last sentence may be helpful to remember.

 

Welcome back Gary! I hope you enjoyed your brief retirement. Now get back to work boosting everyone's FE.

 

Thanks Brady

Lets see what our moderator does before I continue?

GaryG

 

Where to begin...(normally I'd let this sort of thing slide, but my name is mentioned here too many times)

I never complained to the moderator about you. I just PM'nd him a few minutes ago to ask if I have behaved incorrectly here.

I don't understand why you keep taking my opinion (yes, my opinion, I never said it was gospel) as a personal attack. My opinion, in one sentence, is that sometimes you have to sacrifice some fuel economy for safety. Where one draws that line is up to the individual.

You quoted my message with ideas on saving gas and say that I give no ideas. RIDE A BIKE! DOUBLE-UP ON TRIPS! These are not original, but try it, they do work.

I think I've said enough nice things about you and your reports to improve fuel efficency. You've on more than one occasion taken a legitimate question from me and turned it into some kind of personal attack so it is sometimes difficult to discuss things in a productive manner.

All good, as many of us have noted (even from the dreaded "other side").

I agree that there is a safe drafting distance. If you look back at my comments, they were when examples of hugging the rig were brought up. Again, my comments, which were usually about someone else (but you took it personally anyway because you seem to like doing that) were taken to the extreme and you got huffy.
I think this is a classic example of others needing more explanation from you because they can't read your mind, and youu taking it as a personal attack rather than an open discussion, albeit sometimes a bit heated.

What do you want, a medal? Many people contribute to better the world around us and we don't do it for pats on the back. If you are doing this for self gratification, sorry I have not sent you flowers.

I don't need to hit my head with a hammer to prove it will hurt. I work in the medical industry and we generally don't design brain surgery tools to work most of the time, or prove a tool is safe by using it a bunch of times and count the accidents. We should agree to disagree here.

You have your opinion and I have mine, and I'm not gong to rehash it here again. You keep bringing up this "other side". Since we all took the time and spent the extra money to purchase an FEH, we are all obviouly on the same side. If I think SOME of what you do might not be safe, I have the same rights as you to chime in here. The legal disclaimer on the other group wa snot there for nothing. It is because some of these techniques push the enveloppe and they don't want anyone thinking that they endorse these methods.

Good for you.

I thought you invented the "other side". I can't find a reference to it in my posts(unless I missed it somewhere).

 

Am I the only one who could read this? Bah, this thread is 1 page of questions and 4 pages of arguing.