Dumb 4x4 question
#11
Re: Dumb 4x4 question
I might be wrong, but I'd guess there is a center differential that splits torque between the front and rear wheels. If you were to unhook the rear drive shaft it seems like several terrible things could happen.
If you've ever seen how a 2WD car behaves when one wheel is on ice and the other is not, you know that normally the one on ice spins free and the other one with grip doesn't do much good at all (unless you have traction control or a limited slip diff). I think you'd run into a problem akin to putting your rear wheels on ice all the time. Not a good idea, IMO.
-dan
If you've ever seen how a 2WD car behaves when one wheel is on ice and the other is not, you know that normally the one on ice spins free and the other one with grip doesn't do much good at all (unless you have traction control or a limited slip diff). I think you'd run into a problem akin to putting your rear wheels on ice all the time. Not a good idea, IMO.
-dan
Might..??
No, you are WRONG...!!
The FE/FEH F/awd system consists of a simple ring and pinion PTO that constantly couples engine drive HP to the electromagnetic clutch assembly mounted within the rear diff'l case. That rear electromagnetic clutch is used to somewhat "linearly", incrementally, control TORQUE coupling to the rear drive wheels. The rear drive is so rarely engaged/used, SOLIDLY engaged even more rarely, on frictional surfaces that the Ford engineers decided that the resulting driveline windup, tire-scrubbing, etc, would not represent a serious issue.
Obviously they have now been proven to be wrong.
PTOs are failing left and right as a result of their being the weak link in the driveline windup equation.
"..if you've ever seen how.."
Following this statement is a rather perfect description of the way the HL, RX and Sienna F/awd system operated until recent times. While the RX350 and Sienna have now been updated with a virtual duplicate of the FE/FEH F/awd system the HL still remains with a simple open center diff'l and absent TC would be, and remain, a simple ONE-WHEEL drive system.
Last edited by wwest; 01-20-2010 at 09:14 AM.
#12
Re: Dumb 4x4 question
Not sure, but I think you might have meant to say...
"..did not come with Stability Control..."
I currently have not much respect for Ford but even so it is hard for me to imagine the FE/FEH not having a safety system, TC, that most marques began integrading into their FWD and F/awd product series all the way back in 2000.
"..did not come with Stability Control..."
I currently have not much respect for Ford but even so it is hard for me to imagine the FE/FEH not having a safety system, TC, that most marques began integrading into their FWD and F/awd product series all the way back in 2000.
#13
Re: Dumb 4x4 question
Not sure, but I think you might have meant to say...
"..did not come with Stability Control..."
I currently have not much respect for Ford but even so it is hard for me to imagine the FE/FEH not having a safety system, TC, that most marques began integrading into their FWD and F/awd product series all the way back in 2000.
"..did not come with Stability Control..."
I currently have not much respect for Ford but even so it is hard for me to imagine the FE/FEH not having a safety system, TC, that most marques began integrading into their FWD and F/awd product series all the way back in 2000.
"The Escape has respectable if not exciting performance. It's certainly no sports car, but it has no trouble accelerating up to merge with freeway traffic. The steering feel is responsive and nicely weighted with no slop in the mechanism. The brakes had good pedal feel and were easily modulated. The standard Escape has a conventional hydraulic friction brake system with a vacuum booster and gets Roll Stability Control with traction control as standard equipment. The hybrid has regenerative braking that is blended with the friction braking. The electro-hydraulic brake system which is used to provide this functionality only has ABS with no traction or stability control making this the only SUV in the Ford lineup lacking that capability. Applying the throttle too aggressively on lower friction surfaces can get the front wheels spinning freely and you definitely don't want to take corners too aggressively."
http://green.autoblog.com/2007/06/05...escape-hybrid/
#14
Re: Dumb 4x4 question
'...'09..first FEH with SC and TC..."
Yes, I understand that latter FEH's included both TC AND SC.
Sorry, I just have no faith in the "truth" of the green.autoblog statement, TOO much faith in Ford..?
Yes, I understand that latter FEH's included both TC AND SC.
Sorry, I just have no faith in the "truth" of the green.autoblog statement, TOO much faith in Ford..?
#15
Re: Dumb 4x4 question
GaryG
#16
Re: Dumb 4x4 question
If you mean you spin your right front tire, then yes, TC should help this.
#17
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GaryG
#18
Re: Dumb 4x4 question
pulled fuse 18 (2007 mmh) set the "4x4 service required" msg. Hit reset button to clear and drove.
I only drove 1 day but looks like I might have gained 1 mpg. it's a short haul only 2
trips there and back @ 9 mi ea.
Got my workshop manual today, good reading
I only drove 1 day but looks like I might have gained 1 mpg. it's a short haul only 2
trips there and back @ 9 mi ea.
Got my workshop manual today, good reading
#19
Re: Dumb 4x4 question
the Ford engineers decided that the resulting driveline windup, tire-scrubbing, etc, would not represent a serious issue.
Obviously they have now been proven to be wrong.
PTOs are failing left and right
Good grief! This poster has failed to provide any hard data to support such statements. Until such time consider such statements as nothing more than that from fantasyland.
Obviously they have now been proven to be wrong.
PTOs are failing left and right
Good grief! This poster has failed to provide any hard data to support such statements. Until such time consider such statements as nothing more than that from fantasyland.
#20
Re: Dumb 4x4 question
The lack of TC/RSC was the reason I got an AWD. I didn't like the feel of the FWD during turns, and I knew there was no stability control.