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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 07:24 PM
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My guess is it's the Vehicle System Controler (VSC) or PCM is defective or has a programing glitch. Sanarael didn't indicate a trouble code or warning, so I lean to a bad PCM as the problem. We will see.

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A programming glitch! They reprogramed the PCM and solved the problem. You will love the MMH in So. FL like I do.

Good Luck with it!

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Old Oct 26, 2006 | 07:57 PM
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ok, so many comments to reply to, but the baby green is back in the driveway as of last night and I am THRILLED!
WOOT!

(A geek expression of joy and accomplishment.)

Congrats! So glad the news was good and the diagnosis wasn't too painful (for you or your baby). Enjoy!
 
Old Oct 26, 2006 | 09:14 PM
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... and the diagnostic routine allowed my car to 'upgrade' to Ford's most recent software.
Is there any difference between the Ford software update and the Mercury software update? I'm assuming not as it would be cheaper to make one set of software to use for both cars similar to some Dodge and Mitsubishi cars. Just curious if they mentioned that or if it showed that the update was from Ford.

And I'm not so sure I like the idea of a Service Dept. having a large hook (ala swimming pool Lifeguards) to rescue someone if they get stuck to a car with a high voltage shock. Egads. Hopefully it is just for humor sake. My regular mechanic never liked when I brought in my old car as it was a hassle to work on but he enjoys when I bring in my Civic Hybrid now (most likely knowing that he'll never really need to fix anything for decades <grin>).

Anyway, he showed me his certification from one of the classes he took here in PA (by the Alliance of Automotive Service Prodicers of PA and Automotive Career Development Center and others). He also let me borrow his training manual which does have some very good information not found in our manuals or on the web. For example, it shows where the service switches are to disable the High Voltage battery. On the Ford Escape Hybrid you de-power it (under the trunk carpet I think) by wearing rubber gloves rated at 1,000 Volts then 1.) Turning the **** from Lock to Unlock and then pull it out and remove and 2.) Re-insert the **** into the "Shipping" position (to prevent things from falling into the hole). I don't know if your manual shows that. It has the same thing about the Honda and Prius, etc. and I don't think our manuals tell us how to de-power our cars as that is for mechanics only.

So if the Mechanic follows the steps for depowering the car (oh, you are also supposed to use a Voltage tester and make sure the car is below 13 Volts before working on it) then there shouldn't be the need for a hook. Maybe it is good to see for extra safety though and hopefully it is made of wood or Fiberglas or something non-conductive rather than a Lifeguard metal hook.

Good luck nonetheless and welcome to the world, again.
 
Old Oct 26, 2006 | 10:05 PM
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And I'm not so sure I like the idea of a Service Dept. having a large hook (ala swimming pool Lifeguards) to rescue someone if they get stuck to a car with a high voltage shock. Egads. Hopefully it is just for humor sake. My regular mechanic never liked when I brought in my old car as it was a hassle to work on but he enjoys when I bring in my Civic Hybrid now (most likely knowing that he'll never really need to fix anything for decades <grin>).
I'm sure its required by OSHA whether it would ever be likely to be used.

Originally Posted by Flash
Anyway, he showed me his certification from one of the classes he took here in PA (by the Alliance of Automotive Service Prodicers of PA and Automotive Career Development Center and others). He also let me borrow his training manual which does have some very good information not found in our manuals or on the web. For example, it shows where the service switches are to disable the High Voltage battery. On the Ford Escape Hybrid you de-power it (under the trunk carpet I think) by wearing rubber gloves rated at 1,000 Volts then 1.) Turning the **** from Lock to Unlock and then pull it out and remove and 2.) Re-insert the **** into the "Shipping" position (to prevent things from falling into the hole). I don't know if your manual shows that. It has the same thing about the Honda and Prius, etc. and I don't think our manuals tell us how to de-power our cars as that is for mechanics only.

So if the Mechanic follows the steps for depowering the car (oh, you are also supposed to use a Voltage tester and make sure the car is below 13 Volts before working on it) then there shouldn't be the need for a hook. Maybe it is good to see for extra safety though and hopefully it is made of wood or Fiberglas or something non-conductive rather than a Lifeguard metal hook.
I thought I did read it in the manual somewhere..... I could be wrong though. As for the hook. Its likely the same kind we have in a cleanroom near HV equipment. Its specially made. A fiberglass shaft with a round hook make to grab a belt--etc. The hook is metal and there is a large copper wire attached to it that has its other end grounded. The idea is that if someone were to get shocked they don't want someone else getting nailed trying to save them.
 
Old Oct 27, 2006 | 10:31 AM
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Tha autoheadlights on the 07 is pretty cool - it has 2 levels the first level turns on the lights while leaving the instruments/NAV display screen on bright and the second level dims the instruments to whatever you have set with the instrument dimmer.
 
Old Oct 27, 2006 | 10:56 AM
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Is there some way to adjust the light level to which the autoheadlights turn 'on'? Having dark brown, a color not so easily seen in the dark, I would like the headlights to come 'on' sooner at dusk.
 
Old Oct 27, 2006 | 11:13 AM
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Excellent news about your MMH Sanarael! And thanks for the updates.

Now, for those of us who's wondering about when our MMH were made, and what software version we have, is there a way to tell? Or do we need to see our dealers?

Sanarael, did your paperwork have any software update version indications or anything like that at all?

Not that there's anything wrong with my MMH, but if there's anything that can improve with updated software, I think that's something I would like to know about.
 
Old Oct 27, 2006 | 02:59 PM
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Hi OCC

The "Vehicle Certication Label" (VC) is located on the LH door or door post pillar. It has the build date and base powertain calibration as well as tire pressure, size etc..

Base calibration is located in the lower right corner of the label. The revision level is no longer printed on the label, but it can be found in on-line auto service information system (OASIS).

Fords diagnostic tool has a PCM/Module Reprogramming function to flash the PCM's Vehicle ID block to accommodate vehicle hardware. Sometimes the entire "Electrically Erasable Programmable Read ONLY Memory" (EEPROM) needs to be completely reprogrammed. This maybe done due to changes made to the strategy or calibration after production or the need to reset the VID block.

The last time I heard, the FEH and MMH are all assembled at the KY Plant.

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Old Oct 27, 2006 | 03:09 PM
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Thanks Gary!

Originally Posted by GaryG
Base calibration is located in the lower right corner of the label. The revision level is no longer printed on the label, but it can be found in on-line auto service information system (OASIS).
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The last time I heard, the FEH and MMH are all assembled at the KY Plant.

GaryG
Is this OASIS open to the owners of the vehicle, or just the service/dealer?

Does that mean FEH and MMH shares the exact same programming? (I would think so since the diff between them are all cosmetic - and maybe shocks/struts which would not affect PCM code, right?)
 
Old Oct 27, 2006 | 04:47 PM
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OCC, most of th information centers are for Ford Techs. For instance, they may have to contact the AS Built data center to manualy update the VID block with their diagnostic tool. They have a National Hotline or Professional Technician Society website for As Built data also. Non-Ford techs can get (buy) the information at
http://motorcraft.com/index.jsp and use the search function for As Built DATA or Module Programming. So if you have a diagnostic tool, you can get the data you need for reprogramming.

This is out of my paygrade and automotive tool collection.

GaryG
 


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