Disappointing gas mileage
#41
Re: Disappointing gas mileage
Oh I think I gotcha. So if I buy a car that gets bad mileage but has a tank big enough that I make less stops at the gas station than my old car did, that's better than a smaller tank that requires the same amount of stops, but because of higher mpg, less gas pumped and therefore $$ spent. Now I see the purchaser's mentality, though when I purchased it wasn't my own.
Having said that, it would have been cooler had the HH used the 19 gallon tank of course, but the size of the tank is hardly where I placed the lion's share of the importance when we chose to get the HH. Heck, for me, it could have a 6 gallon tank and I'd be happy as long as I still see the mpg and the $$ savings. Just my 2 as well.
Rick
Having said that, it would have been cooler had the HH used the 19 gallon tank of course, but the size of the tank is hardly where I placed the lion's share of the importance when we chose to get the HH. Heck, for me, it could have a 6 gallon tank and I'd be happy as long as I still see the mpg and the $$ savings. Just my 2 as well.
Rick
#42
Re: Disappointing gas mileage
As I have posted here previously,I was getting 16.8 mpg in my 'Big Lumbering Tundra'
and to be honest I was quite 'happy' till we hit $3.00+ per gal and my 27+ gal fillups were averaging $80+ per tankful. As was posted here previously that resulted in a 53% increase in mpg. But was it worth the MSRP price paid for this vehicle ?
and to be honest I was quite 'happy' till we hit $3.00+ per gal and my 27+ gal fillups were averaging $80+ per tankful. As was posted here previously that resulted in a 53% increase in mpg. But was it worth the MSRP price paid for this vehicle ?
#43
Re: Disappointing gas mileage
Originally Posted by ender21
Oh I think I gotcha. So if I buy a car that gets bad mileage but has a tank big enough that I make less stops at the gas station than my old car did, that's better than a smaller tank that requires the same amount of stops, but because of higher mpg, less gas pumped and therefore $$ spent. Now I see the purchaser's mentality, though when I purchased it wasn't my own.
I think I gotcha too....If you had to drive longer distances than to the local McDonalds, you would understand the requirement for less stops for refueling by utilizing not only better gas mileage, but a larger capacity tank as well...
Having said that, it would have been cooler had the HH used the 19 gallon tank of course, but the size of the tank is hardly where I placed the lion's share of the importance when we chose to get the HH. Heck, for me, as long as I still see the mpg and the $$ savings. Just my 2 as well.
Rick
I think I gotcha too....If you had to drive longer distances than to the local McDonalds, you would understand the requirement for less stops for refueling by utilizing not only better gas mileage, but a larger capacity tank as well...
Having said that, it would have been cooler had the HH used the 19 gallon tank of course, but the size of the tank is hardly where I placed the lion's share of the importance when we chose to get the HH. Heck, for me, as long as I still see the mpg and the $$ savings. Just my 2 as well.
Rick
yet again, Your 'mentality' is reflected in your answer
so you would rather fillup every 156 miles during a wildly gyrating fuel cost environment ?
Lets get real....both the HH as well as the RX400h have MINIMAL improvements in mpg for MAXIMUM (i.e. MSRP) cost of ownership...
Just my 2 as well
#44
Re: Disappointing gas mileage
Early adopters almost always pay a higher price. This is only slightly offset by the fact that we will get a slight tax break that will be less next year and gone the year after. Toyota will bring the price down on their hybrids as their volume goes up. Look at what has happened with the price of plasma and lcd hdtvs in the last year.
Toyota was not going for high mileage with the HH and 400H. They released a vehicle that would get the mileage of a four cylinder and have the power of a V8. They knew the public wouldn't pay +40k for a SUV with a four cylinder. I think my HH is overpowered and I would trade a bit of performance for better mpg. I would not say that it is in a "minimal" improvement over their non hybrid cousins.
I now have 4600 miles on my HH awd ltd and have learned how to get over 30 mpg
Toyota was not going for high mileage with the HH and 400H. They released a vehicle that would get the mileage of a four cylinder and have the power of a V8. They knew the public wouldn't pay +40k for a SUV with a four cylinder. I think my HH is overpowered and I would trade a bit of performance for better mpg. I would not say that it is in a "minimal" improvement over their non hybrid cousins.
I now have 4600 miles on my HH awd ltd and have learned how to get over 30 mpg
#45
Re: Disappointing gas mileage
Originally Posted by Ulev
As I have posted here previously,I was getting 16.8 mpg in my 'Big Lumbering Tundra'
and to be honest I was quite 'happy' till we hit $3.00+ per gal and my 27+ gal fillups were averaging $80+ per tankful. As was posted here previously that resulted in a 53% increase in mpg. But was it worth the MSRP price paid for this vehicle ?
and to be honest I was quite 'happy' till we hit $3.00+ per gal and my 27+ gal fillups were averaging $80+ per tankful. As was posted here previously that resulted in a 53% increase in mpg. But was it worth the MSRP price paid for this vehicle ?
Last edited by Bob259; 09-18-2005 at 06:54 AM.
#46
Re: Disappointing gas mileage
I think "was it worth it" is totally in the eye of the consumer. If you're the type who would spend upwards of $40k or more for every car you own, like most BMW and Mercedes owners, spending *under* $40k for a HH *plus* its mpg is win-win. If you're a $22k pickup truck owner time after time, then jumping up in price to the HH hits hard and has you asking the "fixed cost up front vs. variable cost over time" question over and over.
A lot of people pay a lot of money to trick out their trucks with $3k+ rims and tires, audio systems, yet none of those options saves you money.
BTW, Bob259, $42K for the Limited you looked at? We got our Limited for $39,500. At that price vs. the 6 cylinder non-hybrid Limited, with my fiancee's driving and with gas prices fixed, I think we estimated her payoff would be in under 5 years. But of course everyone's mileage varies and gas prices are never fixed.
Rick
A lot of people pay a lot of money to trick out their trucks with $3k+ rims and tires, audio systems, yet none of those options saves you money.
BTW, Bob259, $42K for the Limited you looked at? We got our Limited for $39,500. At that price vs. the 6 cylinder non-hybrid Limited, with my fiancee's driving and with gas prices fixed, I think we estimated her payoff would be in under 5 years. But of course everyone's mileage varies and gas prices are never fixed.
Rick
Last edited by ender21; 09-18-2005 at 08:39 AM.
#47
Re: Disappointing gas mileage
Originally Posted by Johnnyroaster
Early adopters almost always pay a higher price. This is only slightly offset by the fact that we will get a slight tax break that will be less next year and gone the year after. Toyota will bring the price down on their hybrids as their volume goes up. Look at what has happened with the price of plasma and lcd hdtvs in the last year.
Originally Posted by Johnnyroaster
Toyota was not going for high mileage with the HH and 400H. They released a vehicle that would get the mileage of a four cylinder and have the power of a V8. They knew the public wouldn't pay +40k for a SUV with a four cylinder. I think my HH is overpowered and I would trade a bit of performance for better mpg. I would not say that it is in a "minimal" improvement over their non hybrid cousins.
I now have 4600 miles on my HH awd ltd and have learned how to get over 30 mpg
I now have 4600 miles on my HH awd ltd and have learned how to get over 30 mpg
30+ mpg on the awd?? That's great! Give us some tips please!
Rick
#48
Re: Disappointing gas mileage
Originally Posted by Ulev
'it could have a 6 gallon tank and I'd be happy'
yet again, Your 'mentality' is reflected in your answer
so you would rather fillup every 156 miles during a wildly gyrating fuel cost environment ?
Lets get real....both the HH as well as the RX400h have MINIMAL improvements in mpg for MAXIMUM (i.e. MSRP) cost of ownership...
Just my 2 as well
yet again, Your 'mentality' is reflected in your answer
so you would rather fillup every 156 miles during a wildly gyrating fuel cost environment ?
Lets get real....both the HH as well as the RX400h have MINIMAL improvements in mpg for MAXIMUM (i.e. MSRP) cost of ownership...
Just my 2 as well
A 6 gallon tank is an extreme exaggeration not to be taken literally, but to illustrate the point that if I'm going to decide *not* to buy a high mileage car and the straw that broke the camel's back was its tank capacity, then I was just looking for reasons not to buy in the first place. If the car is just outright too expensive, that's fine. But if it's in your budget, you're ready to sign the contract and you stop and say "whoa! Just a 17 gallon tank compared to 19?! That means I still fill up every 7 days! Forget it, I'm outta here!" Cutting off your nose to spite your face, IMO, in this "wildly gyrating" gas market.
Rick
#49
Re: Disappointing gas mileage
I'm getting between 24-26 mpg with my Lexus Rx400h. ONLY if I buy premium gas. Nevertheless, I drive carpool every day, have 2 kids and 2 dogs and I'm emitting less toxins into the air. I have a luxury car that holds alot. I'm happy.