View Poll Results: What is the most likely cause of most of the cases of unintended acceleration?
Floor mats sliding over the accelerator
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11.90%
CTS accelerator system sticking
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19.05%
Software glitch or something related to the 'drive by wire' system
15
35.71%
Driver error
13
30.95%
Something else
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0%
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2.38%
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Poll - What's the cause of Unintended Acceleration?

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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 08:15 AM
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Default What's the cause of Unintended Acceleration?

There are many reasons, what do you think is the reason for most of the cases.
 

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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 09:24 AM
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How come I can't select all of the first 4..?
 
Old Feb 1, 2010 | 09:40 AM
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No one who saw my posts on the subject should be surprised that I voted for the mats.

I must point out that this is a Camry HYBRID forum and that the accelerator pedal assembly problem is specifically not applicable to the TCH.

As far as I know, there have not been any reported UA incidents on a TCH attributed to any cause other than the floor mats.
 

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Old Feb 1, 2010 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by wwest
How come I can't select all of the first 4..?
Because I asked for the most. All of them can be attributed to actual experiences, including the above post by Smilin' Jack.
I think the point of the poll is to show that it's not one specific thing that comes into play in all instances, nor (IMHO) is it a Toyota only issue (despite the implications of the media)
 
Old Feb 1, 2010 | 02:06 PM
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In that case I chose software.
 
Old Feb 1, 2010 | 03:06 PM
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I am completely convinced that the vast majority of unintended acceleration (UA) cases are caused by driver error. A small fraction of a percent might be caused by something else, but not more than that.

I live in Florida -- the geriatric capital of the world. For many years, we have seen newspaper articles about UA, at least one or two every week. The pattern is always the same: Driver puts foot on wrong pedal, and drives through wall of garage and into the swimming pool. Afterward, the driver is confused, because he didn't realize that he has pressed the gas pedal instead of the brake. Tests of the machinery after the mishap find absolutely no defect. Often the driver is elderly. There are variations: Often, instead of a garage/pool, they drive through the wall of a beauty parlor or a bank, or some other retail store. Occasionally they run over something interesting or funny.

As I said, I have been seeing these newspaper articles every week for a very long time. There is nothing new or special about it -- just distracted or confused drivers.
 
Old Feb 1, 2010 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveHansen
I am completely convinced that the vast majority of unintended acceleration (UA) cases are caused by driver error. A small fraction of a percent might be caused by something else, but not more than that.

I live in Florida -- the geriatric capital of the world. For many years, we have seen newspaper articles about UA, at least one or two every week. The pattern is always the same: Driver puts foot on wrong pedal, and drives through wall of garage and into the swimming pool. Afterward, the driver is confused, because he didn't realize that he has pressed the gas pedal instead of the brake. Tests of the machinery after the mishap find absolutely no defect. Often the driver is elderly. There are variations: Often, instead of a garage/pool, they drive through the wall of a beauty parlor or a bank, or some other retail store. Occasionally they run over something interesting or funny.

As I said, I have been seeing these newspaper articles every week for a very long time. There is nothing new or special about it -- just distracted or confused drivers.
Has anyone read of any such reported driver error incidents with the TCH ?
 
Old Feb 1, 2010 | 03:52 PM
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I voted for the CTS gas pedal for the Toyota auto line, but if you are talking about the TCH, my vote would have been for the floor mats.
 
Old Feb 1, 2010 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveHansen
I am completely convinced that the vast majority of unintended acceleration (UA) cases are caused by driver error. A small fraction of a percent might be caused by something else, but not more than that.

I live in Florida -- the geriatric capital of the world. For many years, we have seen newspaper articles about UA, at least one or two every week. The pattern is always the same: Driver puts foot on wrong pedal, and drives through wall of garage and into the swimming pool. Afterward, the driver is confused, because he didn't realize that he has pressed the gas pedal instead of the brake. Tests of the machinery after the mishap find absolutely no defect. Often the driver is elderly. There are variations: Often, instead of a garage/pool, they drive through the wall of a beauty parlor or a bank, or some other retail store. Occasionally they run over something interesting or funny.

As I said, I have been seeing these newspaper articles every week for a very long time. There is nothing new or special about it -- just distracted or confused drivers.
"..tests of the machinery after the accident..."

It would probably take something like a logic analyzer to "capture" the state of all functions at the time of the incident in order to "test" after the fact. Or since it is my belief that the firmware is the core causative factor then a real-time software debugging tool and the ability to replicate the failure at will would be needed.
 
Old Feb 2, 2010 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Smilin' Jack
Has anyone read of any such reported driver error incidents with the TCH ?
No responses to this question, yet; so, I am expanding the question to be:

Does anyone know of ANY reports of unintended acceleration (UA)- specifically on the Camry Hybrid - attributed to any cause other than the floor mats ?

And I will add, FWIW, that the lead front page article in this morning's Wall Street Journal Focused on Toyota's UA problems and solutions.

Importantly, in that article, there was a report of a significant Prius UA incident. From the details reported, driver error would not be credible, the car did not have the faulty accelerator pedal assembly, and there were no floor mats !!!!

In view of the similarities between the TCH and Prius systems, it would seem that there is, indeed, some reason to suspect that causes of UA might be present in the TCH - other than driver error, floor mats or the accelerator pedal assemblies.

Again, is anyone aware of any such reported TCH incidents ?
 

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