Since when is Consumer Reports so ridiculously wrong?
#31
10-03-2005, 04:26 PM
True,if they just look at the HH test,they will get the wrong idea.
lars-ss,you are right.If someone just looks at the HH CR test they will figure it is a ripoff-16 mpg city is 1/2 the EPA number They need to compare it to another CR test-like the 4cyl Honda Accord-16 mpg city,same as an AWD HH-Now the 16 mpg means something good-spectacular.CR should emphasize that more.The 16 mpg city is about 30% better(farther per gallon) than the best V-6 midsized SUVS,and worlds better than Suburbans-Tahoes,Expeditions,V-8 Explorers,Trailblazers etc.It is also a lot quicker than those vehicles(if you like quick-and I do).
The FWD HH-not tested should get close to 18 mpg city-just 2 mpg short of a Corolla,and about what a Ford Focus,or Neon gets.
Thanks.Charlie
The FWD HH-not tested should get close to 18 mpg city-just 2 mpg short of a Corolla,and about what a Ford Focus,or Neon gets.
Thanks.Charlie
#32
10-03-2005, 05:32 PM
This is one "Very-Interesting" Thread I think :)
I can't help but (Seriously) laugh at some of these postings on this Thread and Forum. If you all would stop and back off and "Stop" taking some of yourselves so (Extremely-Serious) like this topic is a life and death situation I think you would have to laugh at some of yourselves comments to other Posters that (Don'T) meet your (Expectations.)
This isn't the end of the world, and if a Hybrid does or does not get better than the EPA Rating with someone driving their vehicle, "WHO-CARES." Some of you all and your pointed comments at (ME) and other posters if anything would cause me to second think purchasing a Hybrid at all, and I certainly would not be naive enough to post FE stats and take the ridicule that I read on this site unless I just happen to like (ABUSE).
Personally; I'm buying a Hybrid because I like the new 06 HCH and all of Hondas Upgrades and refinements and as long as it gets close to it's EPA Rating thats good enough. There is alot more to these new Hybrid Civics and the other Hybrid Vehicles than just simply FE (Although-It's-Important) like the new for the first time Nav. and Satellite X/M Radio not to mention the ride and quiteness of the new HCH. To me there is simply alot of engineering refinements and advancements made by Honda to the 06 HCH, than simply just Harping on one thing FE, although all of us realize that FE is also part of the HCH purchasing decision.
Calm Down And Don't Have A (Heart-Attack) over FE (Fuel-Ecomony).
Have A Peaceful And Quite Rest Of The Day:
Terry
This isn't the end of the world, and if a Hybrid does or does not get better than the EPA Rating with someone driving their vehicle, "WHO-CARES." Some of you all and your pointed comments at (ME) and other posters if anything would cause me to second think purchasing a Hybrid at all, and I certainly would not be naive enough to post FE stats and take the ridicule that I read on this site unless I just happen to like (ABUSE).
Personally; I'm buying a Hybrid because I like the new 06 HCH and all of Hondas Upgrades and refinements and as long as it gets close to it's EPA Rating thats good enough. There is alot more to these new Hybrid Civics and the other Hybrid Vehicles than just simply FE (Although-It's-Important) like the new for the first time Nav. and Satellite X/M Radio not to mention the ride and quiteness of the new HCH. To me there is simply alot of engineering refinements and advancements made by Honda to the 06 HCH, than simply just Harping on one thing FE, although all of us realize that FE is also part of the HCH purchasing decision.
Calm Down And Don't Have A (Heart-Attack) over FE (Fuel-Ecomony).
Have A Peaceful And Quite Rest Of The Day:
Terry
Last edited by tigerhonaker; 10-03-2005 at 05:34 PM.
#33
10-03-2005, 06:09 PM
Re: Since when is Consumer Reports so ridiculously wrong?
Well, if consumer reports says a car gets a ton belowe EPA I feel it is worth actualy pointing out how people get better. If it weren't for the absurdly low mileage they got we wouldn't give it a second thought.
Most of the time we are talking about mileage we are telling people how to do better. If some people take it personaly that others get better mileage than themselves they should read and absorb and make an effort to do better.
When people come on here and say that people that get better than EPA are doing all sorts of weird "tricks" and dismiss them thats a problem. Not everyhypermiler inflates their tires to 100psi doesn't use A/C and turns their car off a hundred tims a trip. Some of us actualy drive normaly with traffic with the execption that we are more efficient (we don't zip off the line or zip to be the first at the red light.
BTW, I never bought my car to exceed EPA. I bought it because it could get me to work and back for two weeks on a tank of gas. I now am hitting above EPA because I care to do my best when I drive. I DO NOT reboot, I do not drive more than 5mph slower than the speed limit. I tried until I found a route that had a balance of good FE and shortest distance. It took me about a month to find the route but since I put in the effort I can now reap the gains. If people refuse to do that they should stop complaining about their mileage.
Now, just because you don't "CARE" and don't want to help others get better doesn't mean you should complain when those of us that do give advice.
Most of the time we are talking about mileage we are telling people how to do better. If some people take it personaly that others get better mileage than themselves they should read and absorb and make an effort to do better.
When people come on here and say that people that get better than EPA are doing all sorts of weird "tricks" and dismiss them thats a problem. Not everyhypermiler inflates their tires to 100psi doesn't use A/C and turns their car off a hundred tims a trip. Some of us actualy drive normaly with traffic with the execption that we are more efficient (we don't zip off the line or zip to be the first at the red light.
BTW, I never bought my car to exceed EPA. I bought it because it could get me to work and back for two weeks on a tank of gas. I now am hitting above EPA because I care to do my best when I drive. I DO NOT reboot, I do not drive more than 5mph slower than the speed limit. I tried until I found a route that had a balance of good FE and shortest distance. It took me about a month to find the route but since I put in the effort I can now reap the gains. If people refuse to do that they should stop complaining about their mileage.
Now, just because you don't "CARE" and don't want to help others get better doesn't mean you should complain when those of us that do give advice.
#34
10-03-2005, 06:26 PM
For The Non-Hypermilers...
....and I think at least two have responded on this thread - I've had commutes that I did not take fuel economy seriously, and a few I've downright raced huge pickup trucks that have blasted by me like I'm the 98-pound weaking in school. My lifetime milage over 88,000 miles is 56.8mpg - under the EPA figures. In recent months, I've been getting 70mpg or better. In other words, I've done both hypermiling and racing.
I think I was tactful about getting the EPA figures in a pre 2006 HCH is definitely attainable, even an eight-mile stop-and-go summer commute with a little more experience. Many here could go into great detail but the key items to doing it are:
I'm just pointing out that getting the EPA figures in any vehicle requires some effort. Off topic (not really) a former co-worker jumed on to me about my diet. I started working out and lost 35 pounds. He continued to eat out daily. Although he started to order healhier portions, he remained about 30% over his ideal weight.
A lot of things are the result of our efforts alone. If the outcome is not what was desired either live with it without complaint or work to improve it.
I think I was tactful about getting the EPA figures in a pre 2006 HCH is definitely attainable, even an eight-mile stop-and-go summer commute with a little more experience. Many here could go into great detail but the key items to doing it are:
- keeping speed to 45-55mph
- conserve momentium - done by...
- watching and anticipating traffic
I'm just pointing out that getting the EPA figures in any vehicle requires some effort. Off topic (not really) a former co-worker jumed on to me about my diet. I started working out and lost 35 pounds. He continued to eat out daily. Although he started to order healhier portions, he remained about 30% over his ideal weight.
A lot of things are the result of our efforts alone. If the outcome is not what was desired either live with it without complaint or work to improve it.
#35
10-04-2005, 04:57 PM
Re: Since when is Consumer Reports so ridiculously wrong?
Originally Posted by Hot_Georgia_2004
I sure wish I still had that publication, pretty sure it was CR.
The advertisement was clearly disguised as a real, unbiased review.
The advertisement was clearly disguised as a real, unbiased review.
They do that stuff.
#36
10-08-2005, 10:41 PM
Re: Since when is Consumer Reports so ridiculously wrong?
I think that the 2006 Civic Hybrid will fix most of these problems as there is no "econ" button.
Originally Posted by lars-ss
Although "we guys are mpg nuts" we are almost all just doing something which "anyone else" CAN do, if they want to.
It makes sense that CR would not perform any "hypermiler tricks" during their tests, but since they are such a well-known and respected media source, they should feel responsible enough to "asterisk" their results with "hey, our test is tough, most people get 10-20% better than we do in real-world driving."
If they don't do that, what happens? Joe/Josephine Public sees the CR story and says "those hybrids are a ripoff and a waste of money" and tells all his/her friends that also, which in the end hurts ALL of us.
It makes sense that CR would not perform any "hypermiler tricks" during their tests, but since they are such a well-known and respected media source, they should feel responsible enough to "asterisk" their results with "hey, our test is tough, most people get 10-20% better than we do in real-world driving."
If they don't do that, what happens? Joe/Josephine Public sees the CR story and says "those hybrids are a ripoff and a waste of money" and tells all his/her friends that also, which in the end hurts ALL of us.
#37
10-09-2005, 09:48 AM
Re: Since when is Consumer Reports so ridiculously wrong?
Originally Posted by blueskies
I think that the 2006 Civic Hybrid will fix most of these problems as there is no "econ" button.
#38
10-09-2005, 02:52 PM
Re: This is one "Very-Interesting" Thread I think :)
tigerhonaker,
The same thing can be said about your posts in this thread, as they are pretty comical. You have yourself brought up the point about why talking about FE is taken seriously. People do and are disappointed with the FE and do things like complain to others or take their vehicles back. I would hazard that the vast majority of the people on this board are very serious about wanting hybrids to succeed. So naturally when CR posts results that may drive people away (not to mention the articles since the CR results that use the numbers to talk about hybrid hype), then people are going to take it seriously.
Now dont' take the next part as abuse, or a personal attack. Your commute is not typical of the EPA testing cycle, so why on earth would you expect to get the EPA figures? I am assuming this is ignorance (meaning that you weren't/aren't aware of the testing cycle and what the results mean). Pretty much any vehicle would get less than EPA estimates on the commute you describe. I highly doubt that you will get near EPA estimates in a 2006 HCH and as this appears important to you, you will probably be disappointed. The reason why we care is that you may then become a negative advocate of hybrids (and no one of us wants that). Perhaps the changes in the A/C and other changes will help, but I doubt it.
The same thing can be said about your posts in this thread, as they are pretty comical. You have yourself brought up the point about why talking about FE is taken seriously. People do and are disappointed with the FE and do things like complain to others or take their vehicles back. I would hazard that the vast majority of the people on this board are very serious about wanting hybrids to succeed. So naturally when CR posts results that may drive people away (not to mention the articles since the CR results that use the numbers to talk about hybrid hype), then people are going to take it seriously.
Now dont' take the next part as abuse, or a personal attack. Your commute is not typical of the EPA testing cycle, so why on earth would you expect to get the EPA figures? I am assuming this is ignorance (meaning that you weren't/aren't aware of the testing cycle and what the results mean). Pretty much any vehicle would get less than EPA estimates on the commute you describe. I highly doubt that you will get near EPA estimates in a 2006 HCH and as this appears important to you, you will probably be disappointed. The reason why we care is that you may then become a negative advocate of hybrids (and no one of us wants that). Perhaps the changes in the A/C and other changes will help, but I doubt it.
#39
10-09-2005, 04:44 PM
Re: This is one "Very-Interesting" Thread I think :)
Originally Posted by Monkey
tigerhonaker,
The same thing can be said about your posts in this thread, as they are pretty comical. You have yourself brought up the point about why talking about FE is taken seriously. People do and are disappointed with the FE and do things like complain to others or take their vehicles back. I would hazard that the vast majority of the people on this board are very serious about wanting hybrids to succeed. So naturally when CR posts results that may drive people away (not to mention the articles since the CR results that use the numbers to talk about hybrid hype), then people are going to take it seriously.
Now dont' take the next part as abuse, or a personal attack. Your commute is not typical of the EPA testing cycle, so why on earth would you expect to get the EPA figures? I am assuming this is ignorance (meaning that you weren't/aren't aware of the testing cycle and what the results mean). Pretty much any vehicle would get less than EPA estimates on the commute you describe. I highly doubt that you will get near EPA estimates in a 2006 HCH and as this appears important to you, you will probably be disappointed. The reason why we care is that you may then become a negative advocate of hybrids (and no one of us wants that). Perhaps the changes in the A/C and other changes will help, but I doubt it.
The same thing can be said about your posts in this thread, as they are pretty comical. You have yourself brought up the point about why talking about FE is taken seriously. People do and are disappointed with the FE and do things like complain to others or take their vehicles back. I would hazard that the vast majority of the people on this board are very serious about wanting hybrids to succeed. So naturally when CR posts results that may drive people away (not to mention the articles since the CR results that use the numbers to talk about hybrid hype), then people are going to take it seriously.
Now dont' take the next part as abuse, or a personal attack. Your commute is not typical of the EPA testing cycle, so why on earth would you expect to get the EPA figures? I am assuming this is ignorance (meaning that you weren't/aren't aware of the testing cycle and what the results mean). Pretty much any vehicle would get less than EPA estimates on the commute you describe. I highly doubt that you will get near EPA estimates in a 2006 HCH and as this appears important to you, you will probably be disappointed. The reason why we care is that you may then become a negative advocate of hybrids (and no one of us wants that). Perhaps the changes in the A/C and other changes will help, but I doubt it.
clarify.
Terry
#40
10-09-2005, 07:00 PM
Yes, Most Members Value Better FE
I wish the country as a whole cared about better fuel economy enough for it to be reflected in their driving. Eventually it would result in the purchase of more fuel-efficient vechicles in both technology and size.
Every forum has a basic credo. Cat haters are not very welcome at pet forums. Red Sox forums are not going to embrace Yankee fans...
We have a diverse group of people here, but the greatest consensus at GreenHybrid is wanting better fuel economy. Ridiculing the pursuit of higher mpg will have a reaction not unlike laughing while the national anthem is played.
Stating disappointing fuel economy is one thing, but ridiculing the quest invites scorn. Add to that an apparent lack of effort to try. Yes, the pre-2006 HCH has it's faults. Yes, the EPA figures are inflated. Yet, many here have hypermiled in adverse conditions.
I've had sub-par fuel economy in the past but never blamed my car or the EPA.
This next statement is very general - not personal. The country wants better while not changing their lifestyle - many things require an effort - sorry! You don't get out of debt by using your credit card for everything. You don't lose weight and eat fast foods daily. And you don't hypermile driving with the pack at 10mph over the stated speed limit.
Every forum has a basic credo. Cat haters are not very welcome at pet forums. Red Sox forums are not going to embrace Yankee fans...
We have a diverse group of people here, but the greatest consensus at GreenHybrid is wanting better fuel economy. Ridiculing the pursuit of higher mpg will have a reaction not unlike laughing while the national anthem is played.
Stating disappointing fuel economy is one thing, but ridiculing the quest invites scorn. Add to that an apparent lack of effort to try. Yes, the pre-2006 HCH has it's faults. Yes, the EPA figures are inflated. Yet, many here have hypermiled in adverse conditions.
I've had sub-par fuel economy in the past but never blamed my car or the EPA.
This next statement is very general - not personal. The country wants better while not changing their lifestyle - many things require an effort - sorry! You don't get out of debt by using your credit card for everything. You don't lose weight and eat fast foods daily. And you don't hypermile driving with the pack at 10mph over the stated speed limit.
Last edited by Delta Flyer; 10-09-2005 at 07:10 PM.
