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Old Nov 29, 2005 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by moosh
So we should just fill to the stated max PSI on the tires? Is anyone filling above the max PSI?
If you want handling to improve then increase PSI... if you don't want a harsh ride, don't. And I would avoid going over MAX regardless if you are not going to speed.
 
Old Nov 29, 2005 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ElanC
Yes, I've seen that site. It's an outfit that sells nitrogen filling devices, so not one I would trust much for an objective assessment. From what I've read elsewhere the main advantage of nitrogen is that the larger molecules permeate less through the tire wall, resulting in less pressure loss over time. Since most people don't check and correct their pressure often enough, nitrogen protects them from driving with under inflated tires. Basically it's an expensive way of keeping your tire pressure at the right level.

Moisture inside the tire can have large effect if there is enough of it to reach condensation. Then, as the tire heats up, the condensed water evaporates increasing tire pressure more than otherwise. This could be addressed by filling the tire with dry ordinary air. Nitrogen has no advantage.
The only reason that racing teams use nitrogen to inflate the tires on their race car is predictability and not because the molecules are bigger... it's because when they inflate the tires to a certain PSI they can predict what the PSI will be when the tire is fully up to racing temp. This has nothing to do with the size of the molecules... It has all to do with the moisture in the tire... and eliminating all the moisture is what they accomplish by using nitrogen.

Our car tires will never reach racing tempuratures so the difference between the psi while cold versus hot should be about the same. So if you are worried about going over MAX... then switch.
 
Old Nov 29, 2005 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by tigerhonaker
? So you members that have already taken delivery of your HCH ll, what is the (Max Pressure) on the "Sidewall" ?

Do all the 06 HCH ll come with the same manufactures tires on them?

Wayne; so what do think is a (Reasonable) Air-Pressure to run in the 06 HCH ll ?

Wayne; I did say (Reasonable) without a Overly Rough Ride and not to Prematurely Wear out the "Center-Of-The-Tires" from being over inflated.

Terry
If you want REASONABLE.... follow what HONDA states.
 
Old Nov 29, 2005 | 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by livvie
The only reason that racing teams use nitrogen to inflate the tires on their race car is predictability and not because the molecules are bigger... it's because when they inflate the tires to a certain PSI they can predict what the PSI will be when the tire is fully up to racing temp. This has nothing to do with the size of the molecules... It has all to do with the moisture in the tire... and eliminating all the moisture is what they accomplish by using nitrogen.

Our car tires will never reach racing tempuratures so the difference between the psi while cold versus hot should be about the same. So if you are worried about going over MAX... then switch.
It's funny that when I try to explain one thing, somebody assumes another.

I wasn't writing about race car drivers. I wrote about Mom and Pop drivers. The molecule size of nitrogen is the main advantage to them because it reduces leakage.
 
Old Nov 29, 2005 | 01:07 PM
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No, we've already seen that some have Bridgestones while others have Dunlops. 44 PSI max sidewall in both cases though.[/QUOTE]

My Bridgestones on my 04 HCH 5sp say 41psi max. In our hot weather I set them at 38 psi.Kevin
 
Old Nov 29, 2005 | 01:39 PM
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Dunlop shows a MAX of 51 psi... 1 of the OEM tires for HCH 2003...
 
Old Nov 29, 2005 | 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MGBGT
Just a note of caution:
as some have stated above, as long as you stay within the upper limit that is printed on the sidewall of the tire, you should be fine. But how does that really work? The pressure is typically cold pressure (someone correct me if I'm wrong), so what can push you over the limit if you inflate the tires to at-the-limit values? Changes in ambient temperature, and vehicle loading can. The closer you inflate your tires to the limit, the less marging of error you have. If you inflate to within a few psi of the limit, and do so on a cold day, with an empty vehicle, my guess is that if it warms up and you load up the car, you could find yourself easily over the limit.
Just food for thoughts...
This is taken into account in the rating. Cold psi is for a cold tire. Hot tires the psi will be higher and the tire can take it or else they would rate that as the hot psi rating.
 
Old Nov 29, 2005 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ElanC
It's funny that when I try to explain one thing, somebody assumes another.

I wasn't writing about race car drivers. I wrote about Mom and Pop drivers. The molecule size of nitrogen is the main advantage to them because it reduces leakage.
I always thought the advantage of using Nirtogen is because it is an inert gas and has no water vapor in it. (Using notrogen IS the way to get dry 'air'). I guess I never really thought about why that would be good for a car tire. Anyway, that's why they fill large coaxial cables (like the huge ones on radio towers) with nitrogen, because the lack of water vapor in the nitrogen avoids conductivity and corrosion issues in the space between the inner conductor and shield. Other vapor-free gasses are not as inert and plentiful as nitrogen, and making completely dry air is somehow less practical than using a pure gas.
 

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Old Nov 30, 2005 | 01:02 AM
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Nitrogen is smaller than oxygen; its atomic index is 14 versus 16 for oxygen. Zimbop's explanation sounds much more likely.
 
Old Nov 30, 2005 | 06:12 AM
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"Dry" gas is key... zimbop's is the only reason why you should switch.

Just go to any local gas station that has an air pump and turn it on... just look at the amount of water that comes squirting out. All this water ends up in your tire. As the tire increases in temp, so does the tire pressure.
 


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