how high should we go? tire pressure that is...
#11
Re: how high should we go? tire pressure that is...
Originally Posted by lars-ss
I'm at 58 PSI in my 2004 HCH, no noticably negative effects. Last 3 tanks have averaged about 51 MPG, a little up from when I was running only 48 PSI.
#13
Re: how high should we go? tire pressure that is...
Originally Posted by livvie
You could always go with Nitrogen filled tires where the cold and warm psi should remain the same... or near same. If you are worried about over inflated tires.
#14
Re: how high should we go? tire pressure that is...
Originally Posted by livvie
I do have to say that my worries in the rain were incorrect. I thought a higher psi tire would be worse in the rain but it turns out it actually behaved better in the rain.
What did I get out of this experiment? I noticed that handling got better as more psi were added to the tires. I noticed no increase in FE.
What did I get out of this experiment? I noticed that handling got better as more psi were added to the tires. I noticed no increase in FE.
#15
Re: how high should we go? tire pressure that is...
Originally Posted by ElanC
Huh? Why do you think Nitrogen would behave differently? All common gases behave very similarly when the temperature changes. Regular atmospheric air is 80% nitrogen anyway.
It's the moisture that causes the 4+ psi difference between warm and cold measurements.
#16
Re: how high should we go? tire pressure that is...
Originally Posted by ElanC
Did you ever make an emergency stop where the tires were locked or ABS was activated? Was there ever enough water on the road to cause you to aquaplane while driving or stopping? If not, I wouldn't say you've really tested the safety of over inflated tires.
I ran tests on both highway and regular roads and I have to say that I felt safer with the tires at 51psi then with the tires at regular pressure.
Highway test were:
70mph runs.
Lane changes at 70mph.
Running through big puddles on off ramps (much slower, 35 - 40mph), that was the only time I aquaplaned but I expected to.
I did not conduct any emergency stops on the highway... not a good move.
I did come to near stops (15mph) when exiting the highway where the off ramps were long and straight. I had no problems hauling down the car from 70mph.
Regular roads:
0-60mph... hehe. It was the only time i could get the wheels to actually spin. For about the first 10 feet.
40mph - 0 emergency braking. No problems. ABS would engage on emergency stops but if I just went for a hard stop I could get the car to stop in about the same distance without engaging the ABS.
The key here is that handling was improved by a noticable amount. So you felt more in control in all the above situations. FE did not improve at all in the rain. If it did, it was not noticeble over the life of a tank.
Last edited by livvie; 11-28-2005 at 11:43 AM.
#17
Re: how high should we go? tire pressure that is...
Originally Posted by lars-ss
I've got the OEM for the 2004, the Bridgestone B381, and I think the max PSI is 44 on the tire.....
#18
Re: how high should we go? tire pressure that is...
I believe you probably did receive some fuel economy benefit from the increased tire pressure. Some small amount.
The test you performed was done in rainy weather, which normally reduces fuel economy. Any gain from the higher pressure was nullified by the increased rolling resistance of the wet roads.
So maybe your gas mileage would have been worse. Hard to know for sure. There are so many variables that affect fuel mileage, it's hard to measure a small difference.
My tires are inflated to the cold sidewall max rating, and the handling has improved. It is a stiff ride, but not uncomfortable. The anti-lock brakes work fine.
The car has been set up this way since the second tank of gas.
Regards,
The test you performed was done in rainy weather, which normally reduces fuel economy. Any gain from the higher pressure was nullified by the increased rolling resistance of the wet roads.
So maybe your gas mileage would have been worse. Hard to know for sure. There are so many variables that affect fuel mileage, it's hard to measure a small difference.
My tires are inflated to the cold sidewall max rating, and the handling has improved. It is a stiff ride, but not uncomfortable. The anti-lock brakes work fine.
The car has been set up this way since the second tank of gas.
Regards,
#19
Re: how high should we go? tire pressure that is...
Originally Posted by ElanC
Huh? Why do you think Nitrogen would behave differently? All common gases behave very similarly when the temperature changes. Regular atmospheric air is 80% nitrogen anyway.
Howard
#20
Re: how high should we go? tire pressure that is...
Braking performance in deep standing water should improve with a higher inflation pressure, although it will be the same or fractionally worse on a simply damp road. For snow or dirt, you'll want lower pressures too, and for any sort of serious snow and ice, just forget about the stock tires entirely and use snow tires.
58psi is definitely above the range I would use, but it's not nearly as dangerous as you'd think. I'd say that in the grand scheme of risk management, using 58psi and driving around the speed limit is still safer than 32psi and doing 5mph over, based on propensity for failure, any perceptible loss of traction from higher inflation pressures, and the increased braking distances associated with going 5mph faster.
58psi is definitely above the range I would use, but it's not nearly as dangerous as you'd think. I'd say that in the grand scheme of risk management, using 58psi and driving around the speed limit is still safer than 32psi and doing 5mph over, based on propensity for failure, any perceptible loss of traction from higher inflation pressures, and the increased braking distances associated with going 5mph faster.