Mobil 1 0W-20 ?
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Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 ?
To the person who asked about the CVT fluid - use Honda part # 08200-9006
In the past, Honda specified the A/T fluid for their CVTs - called ATF-Z1. Late last year, they released a new CVT-specific fluid and used it as the factory fill in all of our new HCH-2s.
The new fluid is supposed to:
- offer increased resistance to oxidation
- flow better at cold temps, to increase lubrication
- reduce noise / wear, and thus increase service life
Given the particularly finicky quality of the Civic Hybrid's CVT (you can find numerous instances of people having problems with the 2003-2005 cars), I'd recommend using absolutely nothing except the Honda CVT-specific fluid. It should take about 3qts for a drain / fill, and you add the new fluid via the dipstick hole (prior generation had a separate fill bolt). As far as when I'm doing mine - it'll be at 15K intervals (or about every 2nd oil change, since the Maintenance Minder seems to count oil life down about every 7500-8000 miles.
I believe the MaintMinder will indicate a CVT fluid change at 30K miles - we'll have to see what transpires when some of us get to that mileage. In the past, when they gave out numerical mileage designations, Honda specified 60K 'normal' and 30K 'severe' intervals, IIRC. However, those who waited 60K often saw problems down the line.
I figure with 15K drain / fill, I'm replacing 1/3 of the fluid each time and it will give me the best 'bang for the buck' effort-wise, versus doing the 'triple flush' (drain / fill 3x's, driving the car for at least 20mi in between each drain). At that rate, I've essentially replaced the fluid every 45K miles (in actuality not quite, but I'm not doing the math to figure out the contaminant levels left behind by 'only' doing drain /fill. Besides, a 'standard' CVT fluid service that's called for in the service manual and that your dealer will do is a simple drain / fill - the 'triple flush' is generally only done when problems arise with the transmission).
In the past, Honda specified the A/T fluid for their CVTs - called ATF-Z1. Late last year, they released a new CVT-specific fluid and used it as the factory fill in all of our new HCH-2s.
The new fluid is supposed to:
- offer increased resistance to oxidation
- flow better at cold temps, to increase lubrication
- reduce noise / wear, and thus increase service life
Given the particularly finicky quality of the Civic Hybrid's CVT (you can find numerous instances of people having problems with the 2003-2005 cars), I'd recommend using absolutely nothing except the Honda CVT-specific fluid. It should take about 3qts for a drain / fill, and you add the new fluid via the dipstick hole (prior generation had a separate fill bolt). As far as when I'm doing mine - it'll be at 15K intervals (or about every 2nd oil change, since the Maintenance Minder seems to count oil life down about every 7500-8000 miles.
I believe the MaintMinder will indicate a CVT fluid change at 30K miles - we'll have to see what transpires when some of us get to that mileage. In the past, when they gave out numerical mileage designations, Honda specified 60K 'normal' and 30K 'severe' intervals, IIRC. However, those who waited 60K often saw problems down the line.
I figure with 15K drain / fill, I'm replacing 1/3 of the fluid each time and it will give me the best 'bang for the buck' effort-wise, versus doing the 'triple flush' (drain / fill 3x's, driving the car for at least 20mi in between each drain). At that rate, I've essentially replaced the fluid every 45K miles (in actuality not quite, but I'm not doing the math to figure out the contaminant levels left behind by 'only' doing drain /fill. Besides, a 'standard' CVT fluid service that's called for in the service manual and that your dealer will do is a simple drain / fill - the 'triple flush' is generally only done when problems arise with the transmission).
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Re: Mobil 1 0W-20 ?
Right... i switch over to Mobil1 0W-20 at 30K mile mark. Up to 30K I was changing the oil and filter every 5K miles. After... I went to a 10K oil and filter change interval.
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