PTU Oil Change at 54K- it needed it

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Old Jun 9, 2012 | 10:23 PM
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It engages every time one leaves from a dead stop no matter what the road conditions are so it can't be called a On Demand System.
As I said....."...well, sorta.."
 
Old Jun 11, 2012 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by wptski
There are some aspects of the FEH that aren't unique to it, one being the 4WD system. I don't own a FEH, only a FE.

It was my curiosity of the 4WD system that lead me to this forum. Because of the thread I started here after viewing SG-II pictures posted by Billyk in another, Desert Dog/CarlD changed his original coding for the SG-II showing the correct rear wheel torque.

I myself at first believed it was a On Demand only system which it clearly isn't!
Yeah, it is sad that with the discontinuation of the FEH for 2013, there will be no hybrid SUV with mechanical AWD.

I get a kick out of using my SG to watch the AWD kick in during adverse driving conditions. Sometimes I do it just for fun to watch the rear wheels engage when pulling away from a stop light in dry conditions. I don't really know why Ford did that; it seems a bit excessive. I would have programmed it to be used only when the front wheels slip.
 
Old Jun 11, 2012 | 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by stevedebi
Yeah, it is sad that with the discontinuation of the FEH for 2013, there will be no hybrid SUV with mechanical AWD.

I get a kick out of using my SG to watch the AWD kick in during adverse driving conditions. Sometimes I do it just for fun to watch the rear wheels engage when pulling away from a stop light in dry conditions. I don't really know why Ford did that; it seems a bit excessive. I would have programmed it to be used only when the front wheels slip.
The 2013 FE is using Ford's new dry clutch 4WD unit. They are building the unit at the Ford plant I retired from.
 
Old Jun 12, 2012 | 08:30 AM
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The 2013 FE is using Ford's new dry clutch 4WD unit. They are building the unit at the Ford plant I retired from.
Yes, but it is not hybrid.
 
Old Jun 12, 2012 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by stevedebi
Yeah, it is sad that with the discontinuation of the FEH for 2013, there will be no hybrid SUV with mechanical AWD.
Incorrect, the current VW Touareg hybrid has 4MOTION AWD. The hybrid Tahoe/Escalade/Yukon 4WD is mechanical, although it can be switched off. The upcoming Audi Q5 hybrid will have Quattro.
 
Old Jun 13, 2012 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by stevedebi
Yeah, it is sad that with the discontinuation of the FEH for 2013, there will be no hybrid SUV with mechanical AWD.

I get a kick out of using my SG to watch the AWD kick in during adverse driving conditions. Sometimes I do it just for fun to watch the rear wheels engage when pulling away from a stop light in dry conditions. I don't really know why Ford did that; it seems a bit excessive. I would have programmed it to be used only when the front wheels slip.
There is NO WAY to detect impending wheelspin/slip, so all that can be done is have system that reacts AFTER THE FACT. The other approach, pre-emptive approach, is the one the FE/FEH uses.

For F/awd

1.) Automatically, pre-emptively, activate the "awd" system at the times, ALL TIMES, wheelspin/slip is most likely to result if engine torque is not more widely spread over the overall tractional surfaces, any low speed "straight ahead" acceleration effort.

2.) During tight low speed turns, or low speed accelerating turns, the system re-apportions the MAXIMUM possible engine torque to the rear in order to allocate the majority of front wheel traction coefficient for lateral forces.

3.) Even if either of the above phases of the Escape F/awd system is active the roadbed might be slippery enough that wheelspin/slip will still occur. In that case the system reverts to the TC phase, dethrottling the engine and moderately braking the slipping wheel(s).
 
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