PTU Oil Change at 54K- it needed it
#11
Re: PTU Oil Change at 54K- it needed it
The PTU is only under STRESS when/if the rear clutch is engaged at some level, up to 100%, 50/50 F/R torque distribution. In the FEH that happens automatically, PRE-EMPTIVELY, with no input from the driver.
If the clutch is "open" or mostly so, little or no engine torque is being conveyed to the rear axle so the PTO is "free-wheeling", under no "drive" stress/HEAT.
The FEH system will go into 100% lock under low speed HARD acceleration, in a tight low speed turn, or in a moderate but accelerating turn.....REGARDLESS OF ROADBED CONDITIONS, HIGHLY TRACTIVE OR NO...!!!
Obviously during those periods, however brief, the driveline will be, might be, under SEVERE STRESS......HEAT...!!
In a true 4WD/4X4, excluding off-road use, owners are cautioned to NEVER have/leave the center "lock" engaged except on KNOWN adverse, SLIPPERY, roadbed conditions, and not to leave the system engaged once up and going regardless of roadbed conditions.
My guess is that the PTO becomes, by default, the weak link, since it also serves as a ~3:1 gear reduction/torque multiplier.
If the clutch is "open" or mostly so, little or no engine torque is being conveyed to the rear axle so the PTO is "free-wheeling", under no "drive" stress/HEAT.
The FEH system will go into 100% lock under low speed HARD acceleration, in a tight low speed turn, or in a moderate but accelerating turn.....REGARDLESS OF ROADBED CONDITIONS, HIGHLY TRACTIVE OR NO...!!!
Obviously during those periods, however brief, the driveline will be, might be, under SEVERE STRESS......HEAT...!!
In a true 4WD/4X4, excluding off-road use, owners are cautioned to NEVER have/leave the center "lock" engaged except on KNOWN adverse, SLIPPERY, roadbed conditions, and not to leave the system engaged once up and going regardless of roadbed conditions.
My guess is that the PTO becomes, by default, the weak link, since it also serves as a ~3:1 gear reduction/torque multiplier.
Last edited by wwest; 06-07-2012 at 09:35 AM.
#12
Re: PTU Oil Change at 54K- it needed it
Ah yes, I have a much better understanding, thank you.
Gonna research the amp draw of the rear clutch disengagement mechanism (to determine if I need a relay or not), then determine any potential adverse side effects of electrically disengaging it. I have seen the post about pulling the fuse, but the switch idea makes more sense to me, it if is a viable option.
Gonna research the amp draw of the rear clutch disengagement mechanism (to determine if I need a relay or not), then determine any potential adverse side effects of electrically disengaging it. I have seen the post about pulling the fuse, but the switch idea makes more sense to me, it if is a viable option.
#13
Re: PTU Oil Change at 54K- it needed it
Ah yes, I have a much better understanding, thank you.
Gonna research the amp draw of the rear clutch disengagement mechanism (to determine if I need a relay or not), then determine any potential adverse side effects of electrically disengaging it. I have seen the post about pulling the fuse, but the switch idea makes more sense to me, it if is a viable option.
Gonna research the amp draw of the rear clutch disengagement mechanism (to determine if I need a relay or not), then determine any potential adverse side effects of electrically disengaging it. I have seen the post about pulling the fuse, but the switch idea makes more sense to me, it if is a viable option.
But please remember that when the F/awd ECU "thinks" it has "locked" the clutch the functionality of the TC and/or stability control might still be compromised. On the other hand it would be expected that simultaneously with the need to activate a "braking" functionality of this class, like actual brake application, the rear clutch signal will be INSTANTLY disabled.
Last edited by wwest; 06-07-2012 at 09:51 AM.
#14
Re: PTU Oil Change at 54K- it needed it
Ah yes, I have a much better understanding, thank you.
Gonna research the amp draw of the rear clutch disengagement mechanism (to determine if I need a relay or not), then determine any potential adverse side effects of electrically disengaging it. I have seen the post about pulling the fuse, but the switch idea makes more sense to me, it if is a viable option.
Gonna research the amp draw of the rear clutch disengagement mechanism (to determine if I need a relay or not), then determine any potential adverse side effects of electrically disengaging it. I have seen the post about pulling the fuse, but the switch idea makes more sense to me, it if is a viable option.
Personally, I think it is foolish to mess around with any electrical component in an FEH; the CPU is programmed pretty extensively and specifically for the FORD gas/electric design.
Unlike some people who insist on intruding into a forum, I actually own an FEH...
#15
Re: PTU Oil Change at 54K- it needed it
Ah yes, I have a much better understanding, thank you.
Gonna research the amp draw of the rear clutch disengagement mechanism (to determine if I need a relay or not), then determine any potential adverse side effects of electrically disengaging it. I have seen the post about pulling the fuse, but the switch idea makes more sense to me, it if is a viable option.
Gonna research the amp draw of the rear clutch disengagement mechanism (to determine if I need a relay or not), then determine any potential adverse side effects of electrically disengaging it. I have seen the post about pulling the fuse, but the switch idea makes more sense to me, it if is a viable option.
A trickier and harder soloution would be to fool the system into thinking the circuit is still there by "maybe" adding a resistor across the two wires going back to the rearend unit.
#16
Re: PTU Oil Change at 54K- it needed it
Personally, I think it is foolish to mess around with any electrical component in an FEH; the CPU is programmed pretty extensively and specifically for the FORD gas/electric design.
+1
Someone continues to post incorrect information about your 2006 FEH and we will leave it at that.
+1
Someone continues to post incorrect information about your 2006 FEH and we will leave it at that.
#17
Re: PTU Oil Change at 54K- it needed it
I seem to recall that disengaging the 4WD causes a fault light on the dash as well.
Personally, I think it is foolish to mess around with any electrical component in an FEH; the CPU is programmed pretty extensively and specifically for the FORD gas/electric design.
Unlike some people who insist on intruding into a forum, I actually own an FEH...
Personally, I think it is foolish to mess around with any electrical component in an FEH; the CPU is programmed pretty extensively and specifically for the FORD gas/electric design.
Unlike some people who insist on intruding into a forum, I actually own an FEH...
It was my curiosity of the 4WD system that lead me to this forum. Because of the thread I started here after viewing SG-II pictures posted by Billyk in another, Desert Dog/CarlD changed his original coding for the SG-II showing the correct rear wheel torque.
I myself at first believed it was a On Demand only system which it clearly isn't!
#18
Re: PTU Oil Change at 54K- it needed it
There are some aspects of the FEH that aren't unique to it, one being the 4WD system. I don't own a FEH, only a FE.
It was my curiosity of the 4WD system that lead me to this forum. Because of the thread I started here after viewing SG-II pictures posted by Billyk in another, Desert Dog/CarlD changed his original coding for the SG-II showing the correct rear wheel torque.
I myself at first believed it was a On Demand only system which it clearly isn't!
It was my curiosity of the 4WD system that lead me to this forum. Because of the thread I started here after viewing SG-II pictures posted by Billyk in another, Desert Dog/CarlD changed his original coding for the SG-II showing the correct rear wheel torque.
I myself at first believed it was a On Demand only system which it clearly isn't!
#19
Re: PTU Oil Change at 54K- it needed it
There are some aspects of the FEH that aren't unique to it, one being the 4WD system. I don't own a FEH, only a FE.
It was my curiosity of the 4WD system that lead me to this forum. Because of the thread I started here after viewing SG-II pictures posted by Billyk in another, Desert Dog/CarlD changed his original coding for the SG-II showing the correct rear wheel torque.
The SG-II can only show the "approximate" rear torque % based on available information, mainly PWM dutycycle. Unlike the Acura SH-AWD system the FEH (and most others that use this technique) F/awd clutch control operates open loop, no feedback sensor to indicate the actual coupling position of the clutch.
I myself at first believed it was a On Demand only system which it clearly isn't!
It was my curiosity of the 4WD system that lead me to this forum. Because of the thread I started here after viewing SG-II pictures posted by Billyk in another, Desert Dog/CarlD changed his original coding for the SG-II showing the correct rear wheel torque.
The SG-II can only show the "approximate" rear torque % based on available information, mainly PWM dutycycle. Unlike the Acura SH-AWD system the FEH (and most others that use this technique) F/awd clutch control operates open loop, no feedback sensor to indicate the actual coupling position of the clutch.
I myself at first believed it was a On Demand only system which it clearly isn't!
It could be "wired" to be fully engage constantly on a known slippery surface but then the burden would be on the driver to be extremely diligent in disabling it when otherwise it would become seriously overstressed.
Last edited by wwest; 06-09-2012 at 04:42 PM.
#20
Re: PTU Oil Change at 54K- it needed it
It really is an "on demand" system (well, sorta), automatic F/awd system. The thing is, the factory engineers have pre-determined, based on various conditions, when "demand" might be appropriate and programmed the rear clutch control firmware accordingly.
It could be "wired" to be fully engage constantly on a known slippery surface but then the burden would be on the driver to be extremely diligent in disabling it when otherwise it would become seriously overstressed.
It could be "wired" to be fully engage constantly on a known slippery surface but then the burden would be on the driver to be extremely diligent in disabling it when otherwise it would become seriously overstressed.