C-Max Hybrid = 2013 Escape Hybrid ?
#21
Re: C-Max Hybrid = 2013 Escape Hybrid ?
This is my past source and I read it incorrectly:
As defined by the 2009 ACES Act, a PEV is a vehicle which draws propulsion energy from a traction battery with at least 4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwh of capacity and uses an offboard source of energy to recharge such battery.[68] The tax credit for new plug-in electric vehicles is worth $2,500 plus $417 for each kilowatt-hour of battery capacity over 4 kwh, and the portion of the credit determined by battery capacity cannot exceed $5,000. Therefore, the total amount of the credit allowed for a new PEV is $7,500.[68
Note this was "stated" in this manner in an attempt to provide GMC's Volt with a tax credit advantage over the Prius due to the larger battery found in the Volt. The electric Ford Focus should also have a $7500.00 tax credit.
Here is another Tax credit GaryG can use:
There is a federal tax credit equal to 50% of the cost to buy and install a home-based http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charging_station with a maximum credit of US$2,000 for each station. Businesses qualify for tax credits up to $50,000 for larger installations.[70][76] These credits expired on December 31, 2010, but were extended for one year with a reduced tax credit equal to 30% with a maximum credit of up to US$1,000 for each station for individuals and up to US$30,000 for commercial buyers.[77]
Links for the above: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governm...ctric_vehicles
As defined by the 2009 ACES Act, a PEV is a vehicle which draws propulsion energy from a traction battery with at least 4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwh of capacity and uses an offboard source of energy to recharge such battery.[68] The tax credit for new plug-in electric vehicles is worth $2,500 plus $417 for each kilowatt-hour of battery capacity over 4 kwh, and the portion of the credit determined by battery capacity cannot exceed $5,000. Therefore, the total amount of the credit allowed for a new PEV is $7,500.[68
Note this was "stated" in this manner in an attempt to provide GMC's Volt with a tax credit advantage over the Prius due to the larger battery found in the Volt. The electric Ford Focus should also have a $7500.00 tax credit.
Here is another Tax credit GaryG can use:
There is a federal tax credit equal to 50% of the cost to buy and install a home-based http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charging_station with a maximum credit of US$2,000 for each station. Businesses qualify for tax credits up to $50,000 for larger installations.[70][76] These credits expired on December 31, 2010, but were extended for one year with a reduced tax credit equal to 30% with a maximum credit of up to US$1,000 for each station for individuals and up to US$30,000 for commercial buyers.[77]
Links for the above: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governm...ctric_vehicles
#22
Re: C-Max Hybrid = 2013 Escape Hybrid ?
That's what I understood Billy. I'm in no rush to install a level 2 charging station at my house because I have my wife's work parking lot with two level 2 chargers with free parking and free kwh charging. The Town Hall also has two level 2 free chargers I also can use. Very few people are presently using them. It takes about 2.5 hours to charge a depleted battery with level 2 stations and 7hrs to charge the same with a dedicated 120V connection. The C-Max Energi has a built-in level 1 charger and I have a dedicated 20A circuit in my garage. If I find a need to install a level 2 station in my garage, I will.
Free charging stations are being added all over the place here with Obama bucks, so why use my dollar to charge the battery. In most cases, it takes less than a dollar to fully charge a depleted battery. The distance a fully charged C-Max battery will go is about 21 miles in EV.
I'm excited about how far I can push that 21 EV miles with my hypermiling skills. Same thing with the 2.0L Atkinson engine, all I need is engine shutdown during P&G.
The vehicle locator at blueoval.com said this morning my car ETA is 5/17/13 in Orlando.
GaryG
Free charging stations are being added all over the place here with Obama bucks, so why use my dollar to charge the battery. In most cases, it takes less than a dollar to fully charge a depleted battery. The distance a fully charged C-Max battery will go is about 21 miles in EV.
I'm excited about how far I can push that 21 EV miles with my hypermiling skills. Same thing with the 2.0L Atkinson engine, all I need is engine shutdown during P&G.
The vehicle locator at blueoval.com said this morning my car ETA is 5/17/13 in Orlando.
GaryG
#23
Re: C-Max Hybrid = 2013 Escape Hybrid ?
Looking forward to hearing how you like it.
#24
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I'll post here about my experiences.
Here is my window sticker:
http://services.forddirect.fordvehic...DP5CU1DL536460
GaryG
Here is my window sticker:
http://services.forddirect.fordvehic...DP5CU1DL536460
GaryG
#25
Re: C-Max Hybrid = 2013 Escape Hybrid ?
I will be the first to predict GaryG will set a new "miles per tank" record by smashing the 2000 mile barrier sometime later in this year. One must let him drive the C-Max for several months to break it in, learn more about maximizing efficiency and more importantly to let the Florida weather cool down.
FYI the Ford C-Max Energi has a 14 gallon tank. That means about 142.9 mpg average is required to break thru this barrier. This vehicle has an EPA rating of 100 mpge. I'm sure he will be featured in a Ford commercial after achieving this feat.
FYI the Ford C-Max Energi has a 14 gallon tank. That means about 142.9 mpg average is required to break thru this barrier. This vehicle has an EPA rating of 100 mpge. I'm sure he will be featured in a Ford commercial after achieving this feat.
#26
Re: C-Max Hybrid = 2013 Escape Hybrid ?
I will be the first to predict GaryG will set a new "miles per tank" record by smashing the 2000 mile barrier sometime later in this year. One must let him drive the C-Max for several months to break it in, learn more about maximizing efficiency and more importantly to let the Florida weather cool down.
FYI the Ford C-Max Energi has a 14 gallon tank. That means about 142.9 mpg average is required to break thru this barrier. This vehicle has an EPA rating of 100 mpge. I'm sure he will be featured in a Ford commercial after achieving this feat.
FYI the Ford C-Max Energi has a 14 gallon tank. That means about 142.9 mpg average is required to break thru this barrier. This vehicle has an EPA rating of 100 mpge. I'm sure he will be featured in a Ford commercial after achieving this feat.
I've already checked for free charging stations up and down the coast where I travel, so I'll plan my lunch and shopping during charging periods. What a life!
GaryG
#27
Re: C-Max Hybrid = 2013 Escape Hybrid ?
This is my past source and I read it incorrectly:
As defined by the 2009 ACES Act, a PEV is a vehicle which draws propulsion energy from a traction battery with at least 4 kwh of capacity and uses an offboard source of energy to recharge such battery.[68] The tax credit for new plug-in electric vehicles is worth $2,500 plus $417 for each kilowatt-hour of battery capacity over 4 kwh, and the portion of the credit determined by battery capacity cannot exceed $5,000. Therefore, the total amount of the credit allowed for a new PEV is $7,500.[68
Note this was "stated" in this manner in an attempt to provide GMC's Volt with a tax credit advantage over the Prius due to the larger battery found in the Volt. The electric Ford Focus should also have a $7500.00 tax credit.
Here is another Tax credit GaryG can use:
There is a federal tax credit equal to 50% of the cost to buy and install a home-based charging station with a maximum credit of US$2,000 for each station. Businesses qualify for tax credits up to $50,000 for larger installations.[70][76] These credits expired on December 31, 2010, but were extended for one year with a reduced tax credit equal to 30% with a maximum credit of up to US$1,000 for each station for individuals and up to US$30,000 for commercial buyers.[77]
Links for the above: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governm...ctric_vehicles
As defined by the 2009 ACES Act, a PEV is a vehicle which draws propulsion energy from a traction battery with at least 4 kwh of capacity and uses an offboard source of energy to recharge such battery.[68] The tax credit for new plug-in electric vehicles is worth $2,500 plus $417 for each kilowatt-hour of battery capacity over 4 kwh, and the portion of the credit determined by battery capacity cannot exceed $5,000. Therefore, the total amount of the credit allowed for a new PEV is $7,500.[68
Note this was "stated" in this manner in an attempt to provide GMC's Volt with a tax credit advantage over the Prius due to the larger battery found in the Volt. The electric Ford Focus should also have a $7500.00 tax credit.
Here is another Tax credit GaryG can use:
There is a federal tax credit equal to 50% of the cost to buy and install a home-based charging station with a maximum credit of US$2,000 for each station. Businesses qualify for tax credits up to $50,000 for larger installations.[70][76] These credits expired on December 31, 2010, but were extended for one year with a reduced tax credit equal to 30% with a maximum credit of up to US$1,000 for each station for individuals and up to US$30,000 for commercial buyers.[77]
Links for the above: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governm...ctric_vehicles
#28
#29
Re: C-Max Hybrid = 2013 Escape Hybrid ?
Come on Billy, you can't be a little more optimistic than that for me? I plan to get at least 300 - 400mpg my first tank. That's an easy 5,000 mile tank. Since kwh are free here, I'll be running the electric A/C all the time during that tank.
I've already checked for free charging stations up and down the coast where I travel, so I'll plan my lunch and shopping during charging periods. What a life!
GaryG
I've already checked for free charging stations up and down the coast where I travel, so I'll plan my lunch and shopping during charging periods. What a life!
GaryG
#30
Weights and cargo capacities Re: C-Max Hybrid = 2013 Escape Hybrid ?
Item ........................2013 Escape.... 2013 C-max Hybrid
Gross weight (lb) ........4620 ..............4621
Curb weight (lb) ........ 3515...............3607
Payload (lb) .............. 1105.............. 1014
Cargo space (cu. ft.)
seats up .................. 34.3............... 24.5
seats folded ..............67.8............... 52.6
Conclusion: Weights and payloads are virtually identical.
The c-Max gives up 5 cu. ft. (seats up) to 10 cu. ft. (folded) to the Escape - an entirely reasonable result of the space taken up by batteries and associated ventilation. The C-max does give up about 100 lbs of payload weight capacity to the Escape. I suppose that's part of the "cost" of the hybrid capability.
The C-max traction batteries probably weigh 50 0r 60 lbs. Add that to the Escape's 3515-lb curb weight and you get to within one percent of the C-max's 3607. Weight of other hybrid components might explain the rest of the difference.
Gross weight (lb) ........4620 ..............4621
Curb weight (lb) ........ 3515...............3607
Payload (lb) .............. 1105.............. 1014
Cargo space (cu. ft.)
seats up .................. 34.3............... 24.5
seats folded ..............67.8............... 52.6
Conclusion: Weights and payloads are virtually identical.
The c-Max gives up 5 cu. ft. (seats up) to 10 cu. ft. (folded) to the Escape - an entirely reasonable result of the space taken up by batteries and associated ventilation. The C-max does give up about 100 lbs of payload weight capacity to the Escape. I suppose that's part of the "cost" of the hybrid capability.
The C-max traction batteries probably weigh 50 0r 60 lbs. Add that to the Escape's 3515-lb curb weight and you get to within one percent of the C-max's 3607. Weight of other hybrid components might explain the rest of the difference.
Last edited by Smilin' Jack; 05-11-2013 at 04:53 PM. Reason: corrected remarks on battery weight and payload