So much for encouraging efficiency
#11
Re: So much for encouraging efficiency
Personally, I don't care about 'tracking', since they can easily do so already.
With charge cards, ATM, cell phones with built in GPS (yup, it's there!), traffic and security cameras, etc, no one can hide these days.
How do you impliment it?
They going to attach a scanner to a Model T for it's once a month ride around town.
What about motor cycles? Golf carts? Scooters? Mopeds? Segues? (Gob from Arrested Development).
Will a hacker figure out how to get the meter to go in reverse and pocket a huge tax refund?
My vote for the dumbest idea of the year...especially considering the efficiency and effectiveness of the gas tax, which this will serve to replace.
With charge cards, ATM, cell phones with built in GPS (yup, it's there!), traffic and security cameras, etc, no one can hide these days.
How do you impliment it?
They going to attach a scanner to a Model T for it's once a month ride around town.
What about motor cycles? Golf carts? Scooters? Mopeds? Segues? (Gob from Arrested Development).
Will a hacker figure out how to get the meter to go in reverse and pocket a huge tax refund?
My vote for the dumbest idea of the year...especially considering the efficiency and effectiveness of the gas tax, which this will serve to replace.
Last edited by haroldo; 02-26-2009 at 10:03 AM.
#12
Re: So much for encouraging efficiency
Id say the most fool proof method of paying for roads is to replace income tax with vat tax and pay for the roads directly out of that vat tax as well as everything else we pay for currently. After all no matter what if your going somewhere your likely buying something or transporting something that will be sold.
#13
Re: So much for encouraging efficiency
You are correct. But, you (read "we") choose to have and use those things. It would be very possible to "live in the dark." There is also a big difference between knowing where someone has been 100% of the time verse popping in and out between ATMs, cameras, and so on. But yes, if they really want to find you, chances are they will eventually find you....(maybe).
#14
Re: So much for encouraging efficiency
Not sure, but I believe all cell phones made after (date?) contain a GPS tracking chip.
One can't stay off the grid...for too long.
Personally, I'm not too upset with that.
Look at how long it took to identify the 9/11 and London bus bombing terrorists.
One can't stay off the grid...for too long.
Personally, I'm not too upset with that.
Look at how long it took to identify the 9/11 and London bus bombing terrorists.
#15
Re: So much for encouraging efficiency
One other concern would be, as the driver, you might or might not have the ability to truly know if you are being charged the proper amount. Do any (or many) of us trust the government and technology to make sure we pay the proper amount.....of course it is next to impossible to track your income tax......so it probably doesn't matter.
It will be interesting to see what comes of this.
Last edited by mikieboyblue; 02-26-2009 at 11:05 AM.
#17
Re: So much for encouraging efficiency
Yeah, and a fuel tax hike. We'll see if it holds. (Remember, I don't think anything stops States from doing it.)
Here are a few articles on MSNBC:
LaHood's talk of mileage tax nixed
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29298315/
States eye taxing miles driven, not gasoline
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28472161/
Here are a few articles on MSNBC:
LaHood's talk of mileage tax nixed
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29298315/
States eye taxing miles driven, not gasoline
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28472161/
Last edited by mikieboyblue; 02-26-2009 at 02:13 PM.
#18
Re: So much for encouraging efficiency
Yeah, here is a Bloomberg article.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...lWIOU&refer=us
Note that at the bottom it says the commission was started in 2005. That would have been during the Bush Administration, and before the Democrats took Congress in November 2006.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...lWIOU&refer=us
Note that at the bottom it says the commission was started in 2005. That would have been during the Bush Administration, and before the Democrats took Congress in November 2006.
#19
Re: So much for encouraging efficiency
IMMHO there would be no problem using a non-linear scale for fuel taxing to adjust, in real-time, the price you pay at the pump according to the EPA efficiency rating of the vehicle.
Still interested in ZOOM-ZOOM, or 0-60MPH times....???
Then you could forget regulating the industry due to CAFE.
Still interested in ZOOM-ZOOM, or 0-60MPH times....???
Then you could forget regulating the industry due to CAFE.
#20
Re: So much for encouraging efficiency
Id say the most fool proof method of paying for roads is to replace income tax with vat tax and pay for the roads directly out of that vat tax as well as everything else we pay for currently. After all no matter what if your going somewhere your likely buying something or transporting something that will be sold.