Possibly a lemon?
#11
Re: Possibly a lemon?
The battery/traction motor technology isn't quite where it needs to be at this point in time to expect 40MPG in any city driving.
Don't feel bad. I only average in the very low 30's but I'm a lead foot and also encounter steep hills as my normal commute. I also drive my TCH like a normal vehicle (life is too short to drive like a granny and fret over MPG).
The folks achieving 40 MPG numbers are not driving what I (and probably a large percentage of other drivers) would consider normal.
Don't feel bad. I only average in the very low 30's but I'm a lead foot and also encounter steep hills as my normal commute. I also drive my TCH like a normal vehicle (life is too short to drive like a granny and fret over MPG).
The folks achieving 40 MPG numbers are not driving what I (and probably a large percentage of other drivers) would consider normal.
#12
Re: Possibly a lemon?
Originally Posted by AKM
The folks achieving 40 MPG numbers are not driving what I (and probably a large percentage of other drivers) would consider normal.
#13
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Yes, you're absolutely right, heavy traffic is custom made for hybrids. No matter what your driving habbits are, when you get stuck in bumper to bumper traffic you just sit there and roll along with everybody else. My commute is very heavy duty traffic and I'm very happy if I can average 20 mph, that keeps my FE above 40 mpg without even trying. If I was living somewhere where traffic is not a problem I would probably get regular car, maybe even stick shift and wouldn't bother with hybrid, after all there is not much difference between 30-33 mphg most cars get this days on the highway and 38 listed for TCH. Short hops in hills of SF are probably the worst case scenario for hybrid car I can think off, by the time the engine warms up and you can start driving in electric mode at least down the hill, you're probably at your destination.
#14
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If you were getting 21 mpg with the Avalon, then you are doing about what might be expected. I was getting 29 to 30 mpg with my 07 V6 Camry XLE in my commuting, which is rated with the same mileage as the Avalon. I am now getting about 40 mpg with the TCH. Hills definitely hurt mileage.
#15
Re: Possibly a lemon?
Originally Posted by AKM
The battery/traction motor technology isn't quite where it needs to be at this point in time to expect 40MPG in any city driving.
Don't feel bad. I only average in the very low 30's but I'm a lead foot and also encounter steep hills as my normal commute. I also drive my TCH like a normal vehicle (life is too short to drive like a granny and fret over MPG).
The folks achieving 40 MPG numbers are not driving what I (and probably a large percentage of other drivers) would consider normal.
Don't feel bad. I only average in the very low 30's but I'm a lead foot and also encounter steep hills as my normal commute. I also drive my TCH like a normal vehicle (life is too short to drive like a granny and fret over MPG).
The folks achieving 40 MPG numbers are not driving what I (and probably a large percentage of other drivers) would consider normal.
#16
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Keep on getting better and better average MPG... just parked in the garage and the average for the tank registered 42.0 MPG... hoorray... could not be happier... remember to be gentle on the gas pedal...
#17
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Originally Posted by AKM
The folks achieving 40 MPG numbers are not driving what I (and probably a large percentage of other drivers) would consider normal.
#18
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Terry's original questions included one about the Real Mileage Database. Most of us have focused on how driving techniques or typical topography we drive affect FE. These answers are good, but I wanted to focus back on the question re database.
Terry, there is a forum on the site, called "Website Questions and Input" where you could post a question/request regarding this information. I don't think you can slice and dice the database the way you want at this point from this site. I think the forum is administered by people who could help, or at least tell you whether it can be done.
Good luck!
Terry, there is a forum on the site, called "Website Questions and Input" where you could post a question/request regarding this information. I don't think you can slice and dice the database the way you want at this point from this site. I think the forum is administered by people who could help, or at least tell you whether it can be done.
Good luck!
#19
Re: Possibly a lemon?
Well, to start with, a car cannot be classified as "a lemon" just because it does not meet EPA mileage estimates. If so, then about 87% of the cars on the road are lemons.
If there is something WRONG with your HSD system which is CAUSING the low mileage, then that is a different story. But you have to give Toyota the chance to diagnose and correct that problem at the dealership.
Most Lemon Laws state that a car must be in the shop for three or four times for the SAME PROBLEM to be considered for Lemon status. In Arizona, processing of a Lemon is done by an arbitrator who has several months to make a decision. In the meantime, the car cannot be in possession of the dealership. So if it is broken, you can be stuck without a drivable car until the arbitration is done. Not very consumer-friendly.
Anyway, if you REALLY cannot get better than 30 MPG in your TCH under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, then you should take the car for service.
If there is something WRONG with your HSD system which is CAUSING the low mileage, then that is a different story. But you have to give Toyota the chance to diagnose and correct that problem at the dealership.
Most Lemon Laws state that a car must be in the shop for three or four times for the SAME PROBLEM to be considered for Lemon status. In Arizona, processing of a Lemon is done by an arbitrator who has several months to make a decision. In the meantime, the car cannot be in possession of the dealership. So if it is broken, you can be stuck without a drivable car until the arbitration is done. Not very consumer-friendly.
Anyway, if you REALLY cannot get better than 30 MPG in your TCH under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, then you should take the car for service.
#20
Re: Possibly a lemon?
Originally Posted by rouman1
I mostly drive in the city (San Francisco, up and down hills, frequent stops and starts), very short trips (15 minutes or so average).
The EPA city number is for 31 minutes from the cold start.
http://www.fueleconomy.org/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml
Would you please take a picture of the consumption screen which show the 15 minutes vertical bars from the cold start?
I believe we can review the data shown on the picture.
Ken@Japan