One of the worst things about the TCH (w/Nav)
#11
08-26-2008, 11:51 AM
Re: One of the worst things about the TCH (w/Nav)
The lock down is ridiculous. I have a BMW that has NAV and everything works while driving. I have a hybrid hacked nav disc with 7.1 maps and the override. During a long road trip my wife was able to enter the nav data we needed. The number of things you can do without entering address info is tremendous. Just going to the hybrid drive screen takes 3 or 4 keystrokes and then gives you a display that is more distracting than entering an address and serves no purpose at all.
You can still enter all options from the Cell phone directly and the hands free works. You can still text, eat, drink, and have sex while driving and be involved in activities that are more dangerous than entering map info.
Saying that these restrictions are for safety is pure BULL. There is only one reason that these features are disabled. The legal department at Toyota felt their risk of a law suit would be reduced. Nothing more...nothing less.
You can still enter all options from the Cell phone directly and the hands free works. You can still text, eat, drink, and have sex while driving and be involved in activities that are more dangerous than entering map info.
Saying that these restrictions are for safety is pure BULL. There is only one reason that these features are disabled. The legal department at Toyota felt their risk of a law suit would be reduced. Nothing more...nothing less.
#12
08-26-2008, 12:38 PM
Re: One of the worst things about the TCH (w/Nav)
The lock down is ridiculous. I have a BMW that has NAV and everything works while driving. I have a hybrid hacked nav disc with 7.1 maps and the override. During a long road trip my wife was able to enter the nav data we needed. The number of things you can do without entering address info is tremendous. Just going to the hybrid drive screen takes 3 or 4 keystrokes and then gives you a display that is more distracting than entering an address and serves no purpose at all.
You can still enter all options from the Cell phone directly and the hands free works. You can still text, eat, drink, and have sex while driving and be involved in activities that are more dangerous than entering map info.
Saying that these restrictions are for safety is pure BULL. There is only one reason that these features are disabled. The legal department at Toyota felt their risk of a law suit would be reduced. Nothing more...nothing less.
You can still enter all options from the Cell phone directly and the hands free works. You can still text, eat, drink, and have sex while driving and be involved in activities that are more dangerous than entering map info.
Saying that these restrictions are for safety is pure BULL. There is only one reason that these features are disabled. The legal department at Toyota felt their risk of a law suit would be reduced. Nothing more...nothing less.
Can you PM me with details on how you built that disc/used it?
#13
08-26-2008, 12:40 PM
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Re: One of the worst things about the TCH (w/Nav)
PM me if you want to know more about hacking a 7.1 disc.
#15
08-26-2008, 09:40 PM
Re: One of the worst things about the TCH (w/Nav)
The "lockpick" devices are just for the Prius..
However, I made a little device that will enable full usage. It does require a little electronics skill... I was thinking about trying to mass-produce them.
However, I made a little device that will enable full usage. It does require a little electronics skill... I was thinking about trying to mass-produce them.
#16
08-27-2008, 05:45 AM
Re: One of the worst things about the TCH (w/Nav)
David, does your device enable video input to the nav screen while driving? I have a back up camera installed, is it compatable with that? How much would you charge?
#17
08-27-2008, 11:12 AM
Re: One of the worst things about the TCH (w/Nav)
It's a small complaint, but I wish the auxilliary power plugs remained on with the ignition off. I can't leave my cell phone plugged into the car for an hour to recharge it. I'm sure someone could rewire a plug for me, but am not sure that would be a good idea.
#18
08-28-2008, 08:30 AM
Re: One of the worst things about the TCH (w/Nav)
[start of rant]
Forget the driver, there are a thousand things they could do even if Toyota locked the nav down like Fort Knox. It really is useless to lock down the NAV but still have the distraction of the radio controls, climate controls, insane ECO button location, cup holder, cubby hole, arm rest bin, and so on. Honestly, those are only the items in the car. We have to add the list Larry mentioned plus a thousand more.
Here's the deal:
As a driver you are responsible to drive safely. There is no system that could be designed to make you a safe driver. The only thing that could make you a safe driver is to not drive at all. So we should stop locking out functions that could safely be utilized by a passenger. If we have a problem with poor/unsafe drivers, toughen the law. Revoke a license for a period of time if a driver is involved in an unsafe action. Charge drivers a portion of insurance settlement (whether their fault or not) if they were text messaging or using a cell phone or using the navigation at time of accident - do something.
To any one who preaches we should have no distractions. Do you ever get an itch on your, say, arm and scratch it while driving? Have you ever sneezed or coughed while driving? Do you ever talk to someone while in the car? Do you listen to any sort of audio? Do you look at the clouds some time? Or a passing animal on a farm pasture?
If yes, I would like it if you could please stop because I do not want to be killed as a result of your unsafe action.
[end of rant]
Forget the driver, there are a thousand things they could do even if Toyota locked the nav down like Fort Knox. It really is useless to lock down the NAV but still have the distraction of the radio controls, climate controls, insane ECO button location, cup holder, cubby hole, arm rest bin, and so on. Honestly, those are only the items in the car. We have to add the list Larry mentioned plus a thousand more.
Here's the deal:
As a driver you are responsible to drive safely. There is no system that could be designed to make you a safe driver. The only thing that could make you a safe driver is to not drive at all. So we should stop locking out functions that could safely be utilized by a passenger. If we have a problem with poor/unsafe drivers, toughen the law. Revoke a license for a period of time if a driver is involved in an unsafe action. Charge drivers a portion of insurance settlement (whether their fault or not) if they were text messaging or using a cell phone or using the navigation at time of accident - do something.
To any one who preaches we should have no distractions. Do you ever get an itch on your, say, arm and scratch it while driving? Have you ever sneezed or coughed while driving? Do you ever talk to someone while in the car? Do you listen to any sort of audio? Do you look at the clouds some time? Or a passing animal on a farm pasture?
If yes, I would like it if you could please stop because I do not want to be killed as a result of your unsafe action.
[end of rant]
#19
08-28-2008, 08:37 AM
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Re: One of the worst things about the TCH (w/Nav)
One day I am sure high school history books will discuss the "common sense era" or the "personal (lack) of responsibility era."
#20
08-28-2008, 08:37 AM
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Re: One of the worst things about the TCH (w/Nav)
I am actually glad they shut off. That way I can leave the iPod plugged in without worrying about anything and knowing it will automatically start charging when I start the car again.
