Rita Could Send US Gas to $5 a Gallon
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CNN/Money: Two big refineries in Port Arthur representing half a million gallons daily will be offine for awhile - cautiously optimistic that the other refineries on the Texas Gulf did not receive significant damage.
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AZCivic, I think you are right about the moving target of gas prices changing behaviour. People adapt, or become anaesthetized as the case may be. And half of the populace live in credit card debt. That should tell you something.
There will be a *very* gradual move away from monster cars, IMO, as the economy deteriorates. I think the only conditions that will accelerate this are either an energy associated recession, or a shift in cultural viewpoint that oversized cars are unpatriotic.
There will be a *very* gradual move away from monster cars, IMO, as the economy deteriorates. I think the only conditions that will accelerate this are either an energy associated recession, or a shift in cultural viewpoint that oversized cars are unpatriotic.
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Originally Posted by EricGo
I think the only conditions that will accelerate this are either an energy associated recession, or a shift in cultural viewpoint that oversized cars are unpatriotic.
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Maybe there's hope after all:
U.S. Retail Gas Prices Drop 20 Cents
U.S. Retail Gas Prices Drop 20 Cents
CAMARILLO, Calif. (AP) -- Retail gas prices dropped an average 20 cents in the past two weeks because of decreased demand and a comeback by Gulf Coast refineries that were hurt by Hurricane Katrina, according to a nationwide survey released Sunday.
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Demand also played a role in the recent gas price drop, Lundberg said. Demand is virtually nonexistent in places like New Orleans, where residents have evacuated because of rising floodwaters. Meanwhile, motorists in other parts of the country, stung by the recent price spike, are consuming less gas, Lundberg said.
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Demand also played a role in the recent gas price drop, Lundberg said. Demand is virtually nonexistent in places like New Orleans, where residents have evacuated because of rising floodwaters. Meanwhile, motorists in other parts of the country, stung by the recent price spike, are consuming less gas, Lundberg said.
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I read the other day that American consumers are changing the way they drive - slowly, but surely. We're consuming 200,000 barrels LESS per day than at this time last year. The first time since the 70's that we're actually using less fuel.
Of course, 200k barrels is a drop in the bucket, but it's a start.
Of course, 200k barrels is a drop in the bucket, but it's a start.
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I'm thinking that $3/gallon is the breaking point for SUV guzzlers. During the week that gas was above $3.00, I saw a lot fewer SUVs and *no* Hummers. Then gas dropped back into the $2.79 range, and the H2's and Land Yachts came back out. But now gas is above $3 again, and the most monsterous of vehicles are off the road once more.
so... If gas will only stay slightly above $3, then the Land Yacht owners may actually change their driving habits permanently.
so... If gas will only stay slightly above $3, then the Land Yacht owners may actually change their driving habits permanently.
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Although that would be nice, I'd rather not pay the $3/gal to keep the SUVs and H2's home. I'd rather see it drop to a normal price (What is normal anyway? When I started driving it was less $1/gal for the 89 octane gas......and no I'm not insanely old). Anyway, normal price that we can all afford, and maybe charge SUVs and H2s more since they use more. Wouldn't that be fair? You choose to drive it, you pay the cost of it?
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Originally Posted by VampHuntD
Anyway, normal price that we can all afford, and maybe charge SUVs and H2s more since they use more. Wouldn't that be fair? You choose to drive it, you pay the cost of it?
#39
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Originally Posted by VampHuntD
Although that would be nice, I'd rather not pay the $3/gal to keep the SUVs and H2's home. I'd rather see it drop to a normal price (What is normal anyway? When I started driving it was less $1/gal for the 89 octane gas......and no I'm not insanely old). Anyway, normal price that we can all afford, and maybe charge SUVs and H2s more since they use more. Wouldn't that be fair? You choose to drive it, you pay the cost of it?
Even at $3 a gallon, fuel cost is minor compared to the overall cost of ownership for most of the cars out there. What needs to be done is that automakers shoudl make lots of minor, relatively inexpensive modifications to all their vehicles to improve overall fuel economy--
1) Idle-Stop standard
2) Cylinder shutoff standard
3) Using effectively free software controls to streamline accessory use: ie only load the alternator when cruising or decelerating, cut the AC compressor when accelerating.
4) tack on a fuel consumption display
Hybrid cars also have a lot of room for improvement, mostly in the area of software controls (which should be almost completely free for the automakers). One thing that I've thought of would be some kind of cruise control that would vary only the electric motors, rather than the overall throttle, to maintain speed. Another idea I've thought might work is some kind of cruise control pulse-and-glide that would run the engine at intervals (with some forced charging) then maintain the speed with the stored energy, with the engine shut off in between. Definitely though, there should be controls offered to the users to optimize the charge/assist logic depending on terrain (mountains, light hills, flats) or driving style (ie "power" or "sport" mode and "economy" mode).
Last edited by Double-Trinity; 09-26-2005 at 05:13 PM.
#40
Different Tact on Discouraging Gas-Guzzlers
If reference to that article from the Dallas Morning News on "Keeping Up With the Jones", I'm wondering if more effective ways to get some of these status-minded people to cold-turkey would be:
- gas stations to revert to cash only
- make small parking spots
- find a way to make land barges uncool