An Inconvenient Truth
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Re: People Believe What They Choose to Believe
Originally Posted by Delta Flyer
It's just human nature that if you have a vested interest in something, you're perspective could be distorted. For instance, believing your son is not a discipline problem in class. A lot of Dallas Maverick fans are saying the refs have it in for them....
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Re: People Believe What They Choose to Believe
Once again "An Inconvenient Truth": http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/200...=home&SEC=news
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Originally Posted by Delta Flyer
All you Ford Escape owners, there are a couple of shots Al Gore is driving to his farm. Can you tell if the interior looks like a Ford Escape hybrid?
My husband, his parents and I all watched it and were pleasantly surprised -- there were at least 15 other people in the theatre. I was probably among the youngest there, at age 32, though. Where are the younger folks? I know it's summer and it's not a date flick, but...?
We all learned something from it, and we all thought it was a well produced documentary and that Gore did a good job communicating it. I will be buying a copy on DVD for our home theatre library. His delivery was perfect. My only aggravation were the political bits -- flashing back to the election, etc., but I'll grant him that; politics aside that kind of personal/career setback can create a paradigm shift in one's focus, and in that respect it fit the rest of the documentary. In multiple ways he addressed why this issue is so important and why he's been so focused on it for so long, and in a renewed manner in recent years.
I wish everyone would go see this, regardless of their political or environmental views.
Incidentally, the marquee at the theatre (inside and outside, both) only had enough room for the movie to be listed as "INCONVENIENT". It was rather comical. Vertical list of movies on the interior marquee:
LAKE HOUSE
FAST & FURIOUS
CARS
INCONVENIENT
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Re: An Inconvenient Truth
I finally saw the movie today and found it moving. I also find the topic of Peak Oil moving in a similar way. I had hoped to join in on a similarly moving thread but instead many of you are nitpicking details and throwing politics into what should be a discussion on a universal/global issue.
Would it really kill any of us to burn less gas, use less electricity and support clean renewable energy? Of all places this website should IMO be united in solidarity supporting the solutions presented in at the end of the movie. Who cares if Gore is a democrat who may run for office again? Who cares if he fudged some of the data? Who cares ir the movie wasn't perfect or if the lift stunt was corny? The basic message is an undeniable truth. You might not want to hear it but someday we or our descendants are going deal with the oil/carbon issue, the sooner the better IMO.
If anybody knows anything a person could to to help the cause please post your ideas...
I'm calling to get my crappy air leaking sliding glass door replaced today. Already bought a window air unit to keep a bedroom cool so the rest of the house can be kept at a higher temp in the summer to save electricity. What are you doing? What else can be done? How can we convince people that this issue is more important than flag buring or gay marriage?
Would it really kill any of us to burn less gas, use less electricity and support clean renewable energy? Of all places this website should IMO be united in solidarity supporting the solutions presented in at the end of the movie. Who cares if Gore is a democrat who may run for office again? Who cares if he fudged some of the data? Who cares ir the movie wasn't perfect or if the lift stunt was corny? The basic message is an undeniable truth. You might not want to hear it but someday we or our descendants are going deal with the oil/carbon issue, the sooner the better IMO.
If anybody knows anything a person could to to help the cause please post your ideas...
I'm calling to get my crappy air leaking sliding glass door replaced today. Already bought a window air unit to keep a bedroom cool so the rest of the house can be kept at a higher temp in the summer to save electricity. What are you doing? What else can be done? How can we convince people that this issue is more important than flag buring or gay marriage?
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Re: An Inconvenient Truth
Hi Lakedude,
It hasn't showed up in Huntsville, yet. Regardless, I've been following the science from news.nature.com for years. This source includes the skeptics who have become quieter and quieter, except in the halls of Congress.
I grew up in Oklahoma and my Mom lives in Coffeyville KS, in the middle of the oil patch. I have and had relatives who got oil and gas royalties but the amount has steadily tapered off. It doesn't last forever.
As for folks discussing the issues in a way that makes sense, that is always difficult. Sometimes, you just have filter the noise and look for gems in the dross. Not everyone has had a chance to see the movie and many who do won't understand. I have the same problem with some of the members of my own family and some of them are blood kin.
Living in Huntsville AL, we finally retired the 40 year old AC. I had an AC technician come out to drain any remaining freon and afterwards, he fixed the pipes so it won't ever be used again. I'll probably replace it with a heat-pump system if I don't make my own ammonium-absorbtion cycle system (no freon and potential to use solar for cooling).
In the short term, I'm replacing our worn out, 15 year old gas furnace with one of the new high-efficiency units (and the $300 tax credit.) The advantage is I can operate the gas furnace from the 1 kW inverter installed in our Prius. I'm also thinking about a heat exchanger to bring waste engine heat, coolant and tail-pipe into the house.
But these are technologys removed from hybrid-electrics. I tend not to discuss these technologies here because we're hybrid owners and drivers, not many engineers, fewer mechanical engineers and green ones are even rarer. We also live in a tornado zone so I also need to put in a reenforced concrete shelter . . . another predictable side effect of global warming.
Don't give up but what I'd suggest is go forum shopping. The Internet is large enough that we can find technology specific forums. Join them and harvest some of their fruit to share here. That is an effective way to spend our time and achieve good results.
Bob Wilson
Originally Posted by lakedude
I finally saw the movie today and found it moving.
Originally Posted by lakedude
I also find the topic of Peak Oil moving in a similar way.
As for folks discussing the issues in a way that makes sense, that is always difficult. Sometimes, you just have filter the noise and look for gems in the dross. Not everyone has had a chance to see the movie and many who do won't understand. I have the same problem with some of the members of my own family and some of them are blood kin.
Originally Posted by lakedude
I had hoped to join in on a similarly moving thread . . .
If anybody knows anything a person could to to help the cause please post your ideas...
I'm calling to get my crappy air leaking sliding glass door replaced today. Already bought a window air unit to keep a bedroom cool so the rest of the house can be kept at a higher temp in the summer to save electricity. What are you doing? What else can be done? How can we convince people that this issue is more important than flag buring or gay marriage?
If anybody knows anything a person could to to help the cause please post your ideas...
I'm calling to get my crappy air leaking sliding glass door replaced today. Already bought a window air unit to keep a bedroom cool so the rest of the house can be kept at a higher temp in the summer to save electricity. What are you doing? What else can be done? How can we convince people that this issue is more important than flag buring or gay marriage?
In the short term, I'm replacing our worn out, 15 year old gas furnace with one of the new high-efficiency units (and the $300 tax credit.) The advantage is I can operate the gas furnace from the 1 kW inverter installed in our Prius. I'm also thinking about a heat exchanger to bring waste engine heat, coolant and tail-pipe into the house.
But these are technologys removed from hybrid-electrics. I tend not to discuss these technologies here because we're hybrid owners and drivers, not many engineers, fewer mechanical engineers and green ones are even rarer. We also live in a tornado zone so I also need to put in a reenforced concrete shelter . . . another predictable side effect of global warming.
Don't give up but what I'd suggest is go forum shopping. The Internet is large enough that we can find technology specific forums. Join them and harvest some of their fruit to share here. That is an effective way to spend our time and achieve good results.
Bob Wilson
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Re: An Inconvenient Truth
If you can't see the movie, check this out >
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Inconvenient_Truth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Inconvenient_Truth
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Re: An Inconvenient Truth
Originally Posted by lakedude
How can we convince people that this issue is more important than flag buring or gay marriage?
What do we do about global warming? What about renewable energy? Oh, no, that's not a one-sentence answer, that takes a paragraph. That means that John Q. Public has to spend a few minutes of their time to try to learn something.
Educational programming is bad for TV ratings, and an educated public is harder for politicians (on both sides of the fence) to manipulate. The bottom line is that it's not in the best interest of the people who *can* educate the public, and the public are insulated enough that they don't need to educate themselves.
So what's it gonna take? $5/gallon gasoline will help, but only if it's a quick jump rather than a slow increase.
On the other hand, Pat Robertson has now accepted global warming, so there's hope.
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Re: An Inconvenient Truth
Originally Posted by blinkard
...On the other hand, Pat Robertson has now accepted global warming, so there's hope.
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Re: An Inconvenient Truth
Originally Posted by blinkard
Let's see: what do flag burning and gay marriage have in common? They're dog & pony shows, quickly reducible to sound bites, that require no knowledge or understanding to form an opinion on.
Even if the whole GW thing is a sham, it still would not kill us to switch from burning petrol and coal and start using wind and solar. Nor would it hurt to make our homes and cars more efficient. Even if GW is a joke we will still save money on gas and electric. And what if GW is real? What we really are sending our long standing climate patterns into a mess? What if we really do lose half of Florida and all the other near sea level land mass world wide due to ice melt?
That reminds me, time to call the handyman....
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Re: An Inconvenient Truth
Maybe AlGore needs to put his mouth where is movie is:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion...re-green_x.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion...re-green_x.htm
Gore isn't quite as green as he's led the world to believe Updated 8/10/2006 10:44 AM ET E-mail | Save | Print | Subscribe to stories like this 
Enlarge By Rusty Kennedy, AP Former Vice President Al Gore shakes hands with a woman after signing a copy of his book An Inconvenient Truth for her, in Philadelphia last month.
swapContent('firstHeader','applyHeader');By Peter Schweizer
Al Gore has spoken: The world must embrace a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." To do otherwise, he says, will result in a cataclysmic catastrophe. "Humanity is sitting on a ticking time bomb," warns the website for his film, An Inconvenient Truth. "We have just 10 years to avert a major catastrophe that could send our entire planet into a tailspin."
ON DEADLINE: Your thoughts?
Graciously, Gore tells consumers how to change their lives to curb their carbon-gobbling ways: Switch to compact fluorescent light bulbs, use a clothesline, drive a hybrid, use renewable energy, dramatically cut back on consumption. Better still, responsible global citizens can follow Gore's example, because, as he readily points out in his speeches, he lives a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." But if Al Gore is the world's role model for ecology, the planet is doomed.
For someone who says the sky is falling, he does very little. He says he recycles and drives a hybrid. And he claims he uses renewable energy credits to offset the pollution he produces when using a private jet to promote his film. (In reality, Paramount Classics, the film's distributor, pays this.)
Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in Carthage, Tenn.) For someone rallying the planet to pursue a path of extreme personal sacrifice, Gore requires little from himself.
Enlarge By Rusty Kennedy, AP Former Vice President Al Gore shakes hands with a woman after signing a copy of his book An Inconvenient Truth for her, in Philadelphia last month. swapContent('firstHeader','applyHeader');By Peter Schweizer
Al Gore has spoken: The world must embrace a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." To do otherwise, he says, will result in a cataclysmic catastrophe. "Humanity is sitting on a ticking time bomb," warns the website for his film, An Inconvenient Truth. "We have just 10 years to avert a major catastrophe that could send our entire planet into a tailspin."
ON DEADLINE: Your thoughts?
Graciously, Gore tells consumers how to change their lives to curb their carbon-gobbling ways: Switch to compact fluorescent light bulbs, use a clothesline, drive a hybrid, use renewable energy, dramatically cut back on consumption. Better still, responsible global citizens can follow Gore's example, because, as he readily points out in his speeches, he lives a "carbon-neutral lifestyle." But if Al Gore is the world's role model for ecology, the planet is doomed.
For someone who says the sky is falling, he does very little. He says he recycles and drives a hybrid. And he claims he uses renewable energy credits to offset the pollution he produces when using a private jet to promote his film. (In reality, Paramount Classics, the film's distributor, pays this.)
Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in Carthage, Tenn.) For someone rallying the planet to pursue a path of extreme personal sacrifice, Gore requires little from himself.
