Seriously Now - HCH-2 is no longer "Mild Hybrid" right?
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Seriously Now - HCH-2 is no longer "Mild Hybrid" right?
So now that the new HCH "CAN drive at times using only the electric motor" does that mean it no longer fits into the "Mild Hybrid" category?
Do we need a new category called "Partially Full Hybrid" ?
What do you gals and guys think? Do we need a new category?
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Re: Seriously Now - HCH-2 is no longer "Mild Hybrid" right?
I'm not convinced the new Civic Hybrid is full. Can it start out on all-electric? Can it accellerate without the engine spinning? Can it simultaneously create and use electricity? When exactly does the 'limited' EV mode work? I'm on the list to test drive one any day now. Hoping to get more questions answered then...
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Re: Seriously Now - HCH-2 is no longer "Mild Hybrid" right?
I can answer a couple of those those questions:
1. Cannot start out on all-electric.
2. Cannot accelerate without engine spinning.
It's not a full hybrid, but I think it now in the second generation has moved beyond "Mild Hybrid" stage. That's why I'm asking people if we need a new category.
1. Cannot start out on all-electric.
2. Cannot accelerate without engine spinning.
It's not a full hybrid, but I think it now in the second generation has moved beyond "Mild Hybrid" stage. That's why I'm asking people if we need a new category.
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Re: Seriously Now - HCH-2 is no longer "Mild Hybrid" right?
Originally Posted by finman
I'm not convinced the new Civic Hybrid is full. Can it start out on all-electric? Can it accellerate without the engine spinning? Can it simultaneously create and use electricity? When exactly does the 'limited' EV mode work? I'm on the list to test drive one any day now. Hoping to get more questions answered then...
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Re: Seriously Now - HCH-2 is no longer "Mild Hybrid" right?
AZCivic, I was referring to the hybrid categories listed in the table in my opening post.
Prius fits in "Full Hybrid" category according to that table.
No hybrid car to date can run full electric at hwy speeds - only full ELECTRIC cars can do that, and not for very long !!
Prius fits in "Full Hybrid" category according to that table.
No hybrid car to date can run full electric at hwy speeds - only full ELECTRIC cars can do that, and not for very long !!
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Re: Seriously Now - HCH-2 is no longer "Mild Hybrid" right?
Heh. I guess not being a "full" hybrid in some ways it bad eh? Who came up with the idea of full and partial hybrids anyway. Whats wrong with just hybrids?
I kind of like hondas attitude of cheap and simple. If it gets the FE of a prius (or pretty close) and puts out the same emisions and has similar power why go with a full hybrid system. The more components the more potential for failure and losses in transmision of engergy.
BTW, where did you get the table.
P.S. Do I rant too much?
I kind of like hondas attitude of cheap and simple. If it gets the FE of a prius (or pretty close) and puts out the same emisions and has similar power why go with a full hybrid system. The more components the more potential for failure and losses in transmision of engergy.
BTW, where did you get the table.
P.S. Do I rant too much?
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This Should be the Q: Is it Efficient?
This hints at the IMA vs. HSD debate. Which kind of hybrid is best for you depends if you drive in the mountains, mostly stop-and-go, or mostly freeway.
For my kind of driving, I'd love to have a plug-in IMA hybrid that could approach cruising speed in an EV mode, then cruise in ICE mode, trickle-charging if necessary. Does not exist yet.
For my kind of driving, I'd love to have a plug-in IMA hybrid that could approach cruising speed in an EV mode, then cruise in ICE mode, trickle-charging if necessary. Does not exist yet.
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Re: Seriously Now - HCH-2 is no longer "Mild Hybrid" right?
Originally Posted by lars-ss
AZCivic, I was referring to the hybrid categories listed in the table in my opening post.
Prius fits in "Full Hybrid" category according to that table.
Prius fits in "Full Hybrid" category according to that table.
I'll agree with Tom that we're mincing words at this point, anyway. The near-equivalent performance of the current "full" and "mild" hybrids makes such quibbling over semantics pointless. Rather than invent new subcategories, let's do away with them altogether. I don't say that because as a Honda owner, I feel that my car is impugned as a hybrid by use of the term "mild" - I couldn't care less, it still delivers the FE - I just think that we should just settle with "hybrid" for all hybrid cars. In five or ten years, there will probably be so many different "types" of hybrids that this discussion would be even more moot.
I have the same warm fuzzy hybrid feeling towards Prii and HCHs alike.