Extreme Measures Anyone?
#11
01-03-2006, 03:37 PM
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Re: Extreme Measures Anyone?
Originally Posted by bluesesshomaru17
...Isn't the Insight 3-cylinder less than 100 lbs?...
I wonder if it would be more effective and easier to reduce the wind resistance? Maybe redo the front to have a Cd of less than 0.20?
Another reduce the wind resistance idea: Make the passengers recline like the recursive bikes, so the car can be lower. This will not be a popular car for the disabled, among other things....
Last edited by Delta Flyer; 01-03-2006 at 03:50 PM.
#12
01-03-2006, 03:48 PM
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Re: Extreme Measures Anyone?
While your at it, remove the front windshield and replace it with a plexi glass windshield. Big weight saving there.
The List:
1. Spare wheel & jack.
2. Unused seats (rear and passenger).
3. Remove A/C compressor and belt.
4. Replace 12volt batter with lighter one.
5. Rim and Tire combo... hard to beat OEM here. While maintaining OEM spec.
6. Remove all plastic paneling.
The above list consist of things that can be undone.
The List:
1. Spare wheel & jack.
2. Unused seats (rear and passenger).
3. Remove A/C compressor and belt.
4. Replace 12volt batter with lighter one.
5. Rim and Tire combo... hard to beat OEM here. While maintaining OEM spec.
6. Remove all plastic paneling.
The above list consist of things that can be undone.
#13
01-03-2006, 03:57 PM
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Re: Extreme Measures Anyone?
There's a guy who made some serious aero mods to his pickup truck, reducing Cd from .44 to .25 and increasing mileage from 25mpg to 32mpg.
For a link to the story: http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?sect...le&storyid=870
By the way, what is the Cd of a 2006 Civic Hybrid? I have been looking for that piece of information and can't find it.
Jeff
For a link to the story: http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?sect...le&storyid=870
By the way, what is the Cd of a 2006 Civic Hybrid? I have been looking for that piece of information and can't find it.
Jeff
#14
01-03-2006, 04:02 PM
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Re: Extreme Measures Anyone?
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
About 60% of the power required to cruise at highway speeds is taken up overcoming air drag, and this increases very quickly at high speed. Therefore, a vehicle with substantially better aerodynamics will be much more fuel efficient.
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
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Some notable examples:
- 2.1 - a smooth brick
- 0.9 - a typical bicycle plus cyclist
- 0.7 to 1.1 - typical values for a Formula 1 car (wing settings change for each circuit)
- 0.7 - Caterham Seven
- at least 0.6 - a typical truck
- 0.57 - Hummer H2, 2003
- 0.51 - Citroën 2CV
- 0.42 - Lamborghini Countach, 1974
- 0.39 - Dodge Durango, 2004
- 0.38 - Volkswagen Beetle
- 0.38 - Mazda Miata, 1989
- 0.372 - Ferrari F50, 1996
- 0.36 - Citroën DS, 1955
- 0.36 - Ferrari Testarossa, 1986
- 0.36 - Opel GT, 1969
- 0.36 - Citroën CX, 1974 (the car was named after the term for drag coefficient)
- 0.34 - Ford Sierra, 1982
- 0.34 - Ferrari F40, 1987
- 0.34 - Chevrolet Caprice, 1994-1996
- 0.338 - Chevrolet Camaro, 1995
- 0.33 - Dodge Charger, 2006
- 0.33 - Audi A3, 2006
- 0.33 - Subaru Impreza WRX STi, 2004
- 0.32 - Toyota Celica,1995-2005
- 0.31 - Citroën GSA, 1980
- 0.30 - Saab 92, 1947
- 0.30 - Audi 100, 1983
- 0.30 - Porsche 996, 1997
- 0.29 - Honda CRX HF 1988
- 0.29 - Subaru XT, 1985
- 0.29 - BMW 8-Series, 1989
- 0.29 - Porsche Boxster, 2005
- 0.29 - Chevrolet Corvette, 2005
- 0.29 - Honda Accord Hybrid, 2005
- 0.29 - Lotus Elite, 1958
- 0.29 - Mercedes-Benz W203 C-Class Coupe, 2001 - 2007
- 0.28 - Toyota Camry and sister model Lexus ES, 2005
- 0.28 - Porsche 997, 2004
- 0.28 - Saab 9-3, 2003
- 0.27 - Infiniti G35, 2002 (0.26 with "aero package")
- 0.27 - Mercedes-Benz W203 C-Class Sedan, 2001 - 2007
- 0.26 - Toyota Prius, 2004
- 0.25 - Honda Insight, 1999
- 0.212 - Tatra T77, 1938
- 0.195 - General Motors EV1, 1996
- 0.19 - Mercedes-Benz "Bionic Car" Concept, 2005 (based on the boxfish)
- 0.137 - Ford Probe V prototype, 1985
Last edited by Delta Flyer; 01-03-2006 at 04:04 PM.
#15
01-03-2006, 04:11 PM
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Re: Extreme Measures Anyone?
Originally Posted by guvmint_cheese
There's a guy who made some serious aero mods to his pickup truck, reducing Cd from .44 to .25 and increasing mileage from 25mpg to 32mpg.
For a link to the story: http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?sect...le&storyid=870
By the way, what is the Cd of a 2006 Civic Hybrid? I have been looking for that piece of information and can't find it.
Jeff
For a link to the story: http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?sect...le&storyid=870
By the way, what is the Cd of a 2006 Civic Hybrid? I have been looking for that piece of information and can't find it.
Jeff
Originally Posted by Phil Knox
The worst offender is the Hummer, Knox said, which when compared to a hybrid car, is like losing 600 percent of a transportation investment. "It's like buying six dinners, eating one and leaving the other five," he said. "It's like stealing fuel from five families."
Originally Posted by article
PHOTO CAPTION: Phil Knox's streamlined 1994 Toyota Tacoma pickup saw its fuel economy go from 25 mpg to 32 mpg at 70 mph just by improving its aerodynamics, reducing its Cd from 0.44 to 0.25, the same as the Honda Insight gasoline-electric hybrid.
#17
01-03-2006, 06:02 PM
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Re: Extreme Measures Anyone?
Im glad i bought my Prius just for better milage over the Pacifica i was driving. Otherwise i might be in the wacky bin for trying to squeeze 1 more mpg out of my car....Hey if its wieght that generates less milage i have something to take out that would get rid of a lot... lets all remove the fuel tannks altogether! that has to be at least worth 2 mpg 
Last edited by Clubford00; 01-03-2006 at 06:04 PM.
#18
01-03-2006, 06:56 PM
now Insight, had an HCH
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Re: Extreme Measures Anyone?
I just did the best weight reduction thing I could do.... DIET...eat right...exercise more!
Shaved weight but I'm more active now, I have been getting better mileage it seems.
Shaved weight but I'm more active now, I have been getting better mileage it seems.
