EV (electric-only) mode finally spotted in 06 HCH!
#121
Re: EV (electric-only) mode finally spotted in 06 HCH!
Hi NASAgineer:
___Those steady state speed FE readings are going to make some of the HCH-I owners breathe a sigh of relief tonight as there lean-burn at a slow highway cruise is worth a bit more unfortunately
___In any case, try and come up with your best rate/range for a LS P&G and see what you can do with a no-assist HS Pulse acceleration so those about to embark on a hypermiling quest in their own soon to arrive HCH-II’s will have an idea as to what to shoot for …
___In regards to the acceleration rates, any time you have to use the pack for acceleration assist in the IMA based Honda’s, there is a price to pay later on to pay back the pack. Longevity reasons alone should tell you to lay off the pack on accelerations as much as humanly possible. You really do not want to find yourself with Insight like pack failures 4 or 5 years down the road let alone the absolutely excellent fuel economy during accelerations when taking it real easy …
The HCH w/ a CVT is a darn nice hybrid to hypermile!
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Those steady state speed FE readings are going to make some of the HCH-I owners breathe a sigh of relief tonight as there lean-burn at a slow highway cruise is worth a bit more unfortunately
___In any case, try and come up with your best rate/range for a LS P&G and see what you can do with a no-assist HS Pulse acceleration so those about to embark on a hypermiling quest in their own soon to arrive HCH-II’s will have an idea as to what to shoot for …
___In regards to the acceleration rates, any time you have to use the pack for acceleration assist in the IMA based Honda’s, there is a price to pay later on to pay back the pack. Longevity reasons alone should tell you to lay off the pack on accelerations as much as humanly possible. You really do not want to find yourself with Insight like pack failures 4 or 5 years down the road let alone the absolutely excellent fuel economy during accelerations when taking it real easy …
The HCH w/ a CVT is a darn nice hybrid to hypermile!
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
#122
Re: EV (electric-only) mode finally spotted in 06 HCH!
Originally Posted by xcel
Hi NASAgineer:
___Those steady state speed FE readings are going to make some of the HCH-I owners breathe a sigh of relief tonight as there lean-burn at a slow highway cruise is worth a bit more unfortunately
___In any case, try and come up with your best rate/range for a LS P&G and see what you can do with a no-assist HS Pulse acceleration so those about to embark on a hypermiling quest in their own soon to arrive HCH-II’s will have an idea as to what to shoot for …
___In regards to the acceleration rates, any time you have to use the pack for acceleration assist in the IMA based Honda’s, there is a price to pay later on to pay back the pack. Longevity reasons alone should tell you to lay off the pack on accelerations as much as humanly possible. You really do not want to find yourself with Insight like pack failures 4 or 5 years down the road let alone the absolutely excellent fuel economy during accelerations when taking it real easy …
The HCH w/ a CVT is a darn nice hybrid to hypermile!
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Those steady state speed FE readings are going to make some of the HCH-I owners breathe a sigh of relief tonight as there lean-burn at a slow highway cruise is worth a bit more unfortunately
___In any case, try and come up with your best rate/range for a LS P&G and see what you can do with a no-assist HS Pulse acceleration so those about to embark on a hypermiling quest in their own soon to arrive HCH-II’s will have an idea as to what to shoot for …
___In regards to the acceleration rates, any time you have to use the pack for acceleration assist in the IMA based Honda’s, there is a price to pay later on to pay back the pack. Longevity reasons alone should tell you to lay off the pack on accelerations as much as humanly possible. You really do not want to find yourself with Insight like pack failures 4 or 5 years down the road let alone the absolutely excellent fuel economy during accelerations when taking it real easy …
The HCH w/ a CVT is a darn nice hybrid to hypermile!
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
Anyway, Thanks for doing the Link back to the CVT HCH and I did not realize that "Mr. Baleno" had that hidden Talent of his. That Instrument Cluster as you pointed out in your Post Xcel looks (Factory). Very-Cool
Great-Post;
Terry
#123
Re: EV (electric-only) mode finally spotted in 06 HCH!
It was noted above not to go heavey on accelaration to save the batteries. This is not true, the pack is made to last the life of the car. Some early failures were from the heat in the Insight, a simple fan temp control fixed that.
I test drove the 06 and just di a 4 mile round the block only getting 49 mpg. I own a 03 HCH and get 55-60 all the time with a high of 74 on a round trip. I was not overaly impressed with the 06. I still can't fold down the rear seat, or go in all electric like the Prius. I may get a Prius when I finally trade soon.
Jim
I test drove the 06 and just di a 4 mile round the block only getting 49 mpg. I own a 03 HCH and get 55-60 all the time with a high of 74 on a round trip. I was not overaly impressed with the 06. I still can't fold down the rear seat, or go in all electric like the Prius. I may get a Prius when I finally trade soon.
Jim
#124
Re: EV (electric-only) mode finally spotted in 06 HCH!
Hi Jstack6:
___The pack in the 00 – 06 Insight was/is made to last the life of the vehicle as well and the multitude of pack failures have very little to do with heat or fan configuration. If you want to receive higher FE, lay off the pack. Or you can take you own advice and receive a bit lower
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___The pack in the 00 – 06 Insight was/is made to last the life of the vehicle as well and the multitude of pack failures have very little to do with heat or fan configuration. If you want to receive higher FE, lay off the pack. Or you can take you own advice and receive a bit lower
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
#125
Re: EV (electric-only) mode finally spotted in 06 HCH!
Originally Posted by jstack6
It was noted above not to go heavey on accelaration to save the batteries. This is not true, the pack is made to last the life of the car. Some early failures were from the heat in the Insight, a simple fan temp control fixed that.
I test drove the 06 and just di a 4 mile round the block only getting 49 mpg. I own a 03 HCH and get 55-60 all the time with a high of 74 on a round trip. I was not overaly impressed with the 06. I still can't fold down the rear seat, or go in all electric like the Prius. I may get a Prius when I finally trade soon.
Jim
I test drove the 06 and just di a 4 mile round the block only getting 49 mpg. I own a 03 HCH and get 55-60 all the time with a high of 74 on a round trip. I was not overaly impressed with the 06. I still can't fold down the rear seat, or go in all electric like the Prius. I may get a Prius when I finally trade soon.
Jim
#126
Re: EV (electric-only) mode finally spotted in 06 HCH!
Hi BillR:
___Just a recommendation but you really should consider cracking those windows when sitting in the open sun. There is no way around it. I cracked them whenever I saw anything above 75 degrees here near Chicago …
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Just a recommendation but you really should consider cracking those windows when sitting in the open sun. There is no way around it. I cracked them whenever I saw anything above 75 degrees here near Chicago …
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
#127
Re: EV (electric-only) mode finally spotted in 06 HCH!
Originally Posted by xcel
Hi BillR:
___Just a recommendation but you really should consider cracking those windows when sitting in the open sun. There is no way around it. I cracked them whenever I saw anything above 75 degrees here near Chicago …
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Just a recommendation but you really should consider cracking those windows when sitting in the open sun. There is no way around it. I cracked them whenever I saw anything above 75 degrees here near Chicago …
___Good Luck
___Wayne R. Gerdes
#128
Re: EV (electric-only) mode finally spotted in 06 HCH!
Nice thread everyone. I can reproduce the assist/charge/cruise modulation with high FE by subtle accelerator input in my HCHII, although I haven't taken data.
FWIW the HCHII has an 8yr/80kmi warranty on the batteries.
Some other HCHII stuff:
Owner's manual says FAS is triggered by decelerating below 8mph, subject to fuzzy logic conditions [my words] (temp, SoC, etc.). I've had it FAS when slowing in traffic and not intending to stop, although for stop-and-go traffic it gets funky because it won't FAS unless you get your speed above 8mph.
Owner's manual says to use Second (S [Why not 2?!]) gear in stop and go traffic to prevent frequent FAS cycling causing accelerated IMA wear. FAS doesn't seem to be possible in Second, it leaves the ICE on when stopped.
There is an underbody panel for aerodynamics that requires "special tools" to remove in order to do oil changes on the HCHII. Not sure if that is uniqe to the hybrid Civic, different from HCHI, or not. Does anyone know if the typical fast oil change places have this "tool" or 0W-20 oil for that matter?
FWIW the HCHII has an 8yr/80kmi warranty on the batteries.
Some other HCHII stuff:
Owner's manual says FAS is triggered by decelerating below 8mph, subject to fuzzy logic conditions [my words] (temp, SoC, etc.). I've had it FAS when slowing in traffic and not intending to stop, although for stop-and-go traffic it gets funky because it won't FAS unless you get your speed above 8mph.
Owner's manual says to use Second (S [Why not 2?!]) gear in stop and go traffic to prevent frequent FAS cycling causing accelerated IMA wear. FAS doesn't seem to be possible in Second, it leaves the ICE on when stopped.
There is an underbody panel for aerodynamics that requires "special tools" to remove in order to do oil changes on the HCHII. Not sure if that is uniqe to the hybrid Civic, different from HCHI, or not. Does anyone know if the typical fast oil change places have this "tool" or 0W-20 oil for that matter?
#129
Re: EV (electric-only) mode finally spotted in 06 HCH!
Originally Posted by DigitalMan
Some other HCHII stuff:
Owner's manual says FAS is triggered by decelerating below 8mph, subject to fuzzy logic conditions [my words] (temp, SoC, etc.). I've had it FAS when slowing in traffic and not intending to stop, although for stop-and-go traffic it gets funky because it won't FAS unless you get your speed above 8mph.
Owner's manual says to use Second (S [Why not 2?!]) gear in stop and go traffic to prevent frequent FAS cycling causing accelerated IMA wear. FAS doesn't seem to be possible in Second, it leaves the ICE on when stopped.
There is an underbody panel for aerodynamics that requires "special tools" to remove in order to do oil changes on the HCHII. Not sure if that is uniqe to the hybrid Civic, different from HCHI, or not. Does anyone know if the typical fast oil change places have this "tool" or 0W-20 oil for that matter?
S on the drive selector is for SPORT. It allows a higher than normal transmission ratio, ie: higher engine revs for that overall "sportier" driving experience. Plus, it inhibits Auto stop. There is no 2 because there is no second gear, because the transmission ratios are continuously variable.
Last edited by 9G-Man; 12-05-2005 at 02:56 PM.
#130
Re: EV (electric-only) mode finally spotted in 06 HCH!
Thanks 9G-Man - yes, I did mean autostop and not forced autostop, my mistake. Not sure if there is a way to manually autostop an HCHII without turning off the ignition.
The owner's manual calls the gear S (second); no matter. I don't know if I can bring myself to associate anything like a "sport" mode with a 115hp passenger car, but so be it.
The owner's manual calls the gear S (second); no matter. I don't know if I can bring myself to associate anything like a "sport" mode with a 115hp passenger car, but so be it.