IMA Battery Needs Replaced
I'm actually very hopeful that by 2011 (when my warranty runs out) that the batteries will be reasonable to replace. They'll have to be or they will erode the confidence they've built in the technology.
I quite agree, Tim. In fact, this very issue is what contemplated the most before getting my 2006. I have 8 yrs/120K miles before I'll have to pay for new IMA parts (HondaCare extended warranty), and the battery and installation better be under $1K by then. If not, the resale value WILL plummet, and I'll buy something different (clean diesel?) the next go-round.
I am disappointed by this news and I really hope that as it happens more the prices will come down, but judging by the way dealers like to add a premium to anything that says "hybrid" on it, I am not optimistic.
yes, i too hope that by then they will be cheaper. When i get my hybrid, im not going to want to drive it less! Im going to want to drive it more! But I don't want to be scared of having a 5000 dollar repair on my hands. The technology is not NEW anymore, although it is still NEWER. By 2011, it should be old hat, and they should be able to bring the cost down.
This is precicely what I think Honda and Toyota need to be concerned with. We're now entering the era where more and more early hybrids are going to be hitting this mileage and need a battery replacement. So what happens when a major news source gets a hold of this story - the others will jump on it and you're going to get a ton of bad press on how the batteries cost $5K to replace and everyone should avoid buying a hybrid. I'll predict if that happens sales will fall off significantly and our resale values will be trash. We'll be stuck with these 10 year old cars with no resale value and a $3000 repair to make them operable again.
Not only would I never buy another battery-based car, I'd discourage others from doing the same. The last thing they need is to take 1 million happy advocates and turn them into disgruntled customers. But it sounds to me like they are starting to...
Not only would I never buy another battery-based car, I'd discourage others from doing the same. The last thing they need is to take 1 million happy advocates and turn them into disgruntled customers. But it sounds to me like they are starting to...
This will be a good thing IMO. It will force the manufacturers hands. Which means we win in the end. The few hard hit in the beginning will pay the price.
My battery pack was replaced at 94,000 miles - a little past the warranty. It was fixed for $450 in nine days.
I'm expecting longer life on the new pack. It's better - the software updates are better - and I know what to do for longer battery life. Most of you don't have a manual transmission - less of a risk. For me, it's don't pretend I'm driving a sports car with extended Assists, and keep the battery pack cool in the summer.
Another 150,000 miles with this battery pack and this Insight has reached 250,000 miles - a good life.
I'm expecting longer life on the new pack. It's better - the software updates are better - and I know what to do for longer battery life. Most of you don't have a manual transmission - less of a risk. For me, it's don't pretend I'm driving a sports car with extended Assists, and keep the battery pack cool in the summer.
Another 150,000 miles with this battery pack and this Insight has reached 250,000 miles - a good life.
You should do ANYTHING other than go to work. Maybe go play poker at a strip club
Sorry to hear that your battery has failed.
As more of the HCH and other hybrids get over the warranty period, we should see people getting into the pack rebuilding business. 3K for 120 D cells is a preety severe markup. A lithium based replacement with the same AH and a smaller form factor should be possible for that price.
Just to put things in perspective though. I bought a salvage Insight CVT that had no keys. My local honda dealor is going to charge me $50 for the chip key, and $90 to program the car. $140 for a key that is probably worth $5 is just the way the dealors work.
The cost of ownership of the Hybrids will continue to be very high, as people are afraid to bring them to independants, and the independants are afraid to work on them. I am involved with a group that is holding hybrid training classes with the goal of training independants to service them, and to break the dealors monopoly.
Mike
As more of the HCH and other hybrids get over the warranty period, we should see people getting into the pack rebuilding business. 3K for 120 D cells is a preety severe markup. A lithium based replacement with the same AH and a smaller form factor should be possible for that price.
Just to put things in perspective though. I bought a salvage Insight CVT that had no keys. My local honda dealor is going to charge me $50 for the chip key, and $90 to program the car. $140 for a key that is probably worth $5 is just the way the dealors work.
The cost of ownership of the Hybrids will continue to be very high, as people are afraid to bring them to independants, and the independants are afraid to work on them. I am involved with a group that is holding hybrid training classes with the goal of training independants to service them, and to break the dealors monopoly.
Mike
I have solved one problem I replaced the Catalytic Converter for $ 280.00 I purchased from the Converter Geek online (re certified converter) great to do business with, the dealer wanted almost $1100 with labor. It took a friend and myself about two hours, after running for a few hours the check engine light went off, the next step is to find a good deal on the IMA battery to replace myself.
Is there a reason for the much reduced cost? Is the Insight's battery pack that much cheaper? Or just the closeness to the warranty?


Wonder if I should just drive it straight to the dealer instead of go to work today. 

