HCH-I Clutch Replacement
#11
Re: HCH-I Clutch Replacement
Originally Posted by VMA131Marine
Flywheel? Maybe the mechanic is using the wrong terminology, but in a Honda hybrid the IMA motor also acts as the flywheel doesn't it? Flywheels don't, as a rule go bad. Maybe there is some hardware on the flywheel that might need to be replaced along with the worn or damaged clutch parts. You need to make sure the mechanic is very specific about what parts he is replacing and why. Is the car at a Honda dealership? If it was my car I think I'd be looking for a second opinion before I let that mechanic go any further.
The three things most likely to fail in a manual transmission are the clutch plate, pressure plate and throw-out bearing, in that order.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/clutch.htm
From your description, it sounds like the clutch was not fully engaging causing it to slip and burning the clutch plate, which caused the burning rubber smell you experienced.
The three things most likely to fail in a manual transmission are the clutch plate, pressure plate and throw-out bearing, in that order.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/clutch.htm
From your description, it sounds like the clutch was not fully engaging causing it to slip and burning the clutch plate, which caused the burning rubber smell you experienced.
A new flywheel is probably a dealer only item.
#12
Re: HCH-I Clutch Replacement
Originally Posted by CaptJackSparrow
You might see if the flywheel can be resurfaced like is done with brake drums and disc's. Sometimes the flywheel does get damaged and if it is grooved it is more then likely done for and a new one would be needed.
A new flywheel is probably a dealer only item.
A new flywheel is probably a dealer only item.
#13
Re: HCH-I Clutch Replacement
I'll have to agree with VMA131Marine about having it towed for a 2nd opinion. Some shops will obsorb or discount towing fees if you have it fixed there.
Dr. Russ (VMA131Marine) is also right that the tech may not be aware that the flywheel is part of the hybrid motor.
If you're in that situation again in a future vehicle: It would have been better to keep lower engine RPM's and try to keep slippage to a minimum and perhaps it might have made it to your repairshop instead of side of the road.
For example:
If you're on a slippery steep grade it's better to try and get your wheels to slowly "catch" the pavement rather than a high speed spin which only burns off the tread. All your engine rev's likely burned off any remaining clutch surface.
Either way sorry about your troubles and surely will be back on the road soon.
Dr. Russ (VMA131Marine) is also right that the tech may not be aware that the flywheel is part of the hybrid motor.
If you're in that situation again in a future vehicle: It would have been better to keep lower engine RPM's and try to keep slippage to a minimum and perhaps it might have made it to your repairshop instead of side of the road.
For example:
If you're on a slippery steep grade it's better to try and get your wheels to slowly "catch" the pavement rather than a high speed spin which only burns off the tread. All your engine rev's likely burned off any remaining clutch surface.
Either way sorry about your troubles and surely will be back on the road soon.
#14
Re: HCH-I Clutch Replacement
Originally Posted by tckma
Well, it's official. The mechanic called me and said I need a new clutch, and possibly a new flywheel. It's going to run me about $1,000 "if you need a new flywheel too."
There goes my next paycheck. It will allegedly be finished on Friday. It's supposed to rain later in the week so I'll need to rent a car too. (I can ride the motorcycle in the rain, I just don't like to and would rather avoid it.)
There goes my next paycheck. It will allegedly be finished on Friday. It's supposed to rain later in the week so I'll need to rent a car too. (I can ride the motorcycle in the rain, I just don't like to and would rather avoid it.)
On the other hand I (and many others) swear by Honda manual transmissions (as opposed to swearing at them). My last one did over 180K and even though I no longer have the car - traded it in at the dealership, an employee bought it- it is still going strong and shifts like new.
I am assuming that this is your first manual transmission vehicle. If not, then I have to see it as bad luck. Hopefully it is covered under warranty, unless it shows signs of premature wear and abuse at which point that is a real pain in the wallet.
Cheers;
MSantos
#15
Re: HCH-I Clutch Replacement
Originally Posted by tckma
I'm very confused. That sounds like a sure-fire way to not only stall the car but grind the gears as well.
when you engage the clutch... it means the plates are coming together but the clutch pedal is now being released.
#16
Re: HCH-I Clutch Replacement
Originally Posted by tckma
Yeah, that set off my bullshit detector at first, too, because I though a flywheel had something to do with the ignition, not the clutch. Then I looked at "Clutch" on Wikipedia and then found your howstuffworks link.
I *am* looking for a second opinion, and he said the flywheel only *might* have to be replaced. The car's so far out of warranty that it doesn't pay to bring it to the dealer anyway.
I *am* looking for a second opinion, and he said the flywheel only *might* have to be replaced. The car's so far out of warranty that it doesn't pay to bring it to the dealer anyway.
#17
Re: HCH-I Clutch Replacement
Originally Posted by zadscmc
I have 75k miles on my '04 HCH MT. I think I am pretty easy on the clutch. We'll see. I did invest in the extended warranty (to 100k), so I am protected until then.
#18
Re: HCH-I Clutch Replacement
I was supposed to be able to pick up the car today, but the mechanic claims Honda sent him "the wrong throw out bearing," so apparently I have to wait until Monday on that one. Grrr. Two more days of paying for that gas-guzzling rental car -- I've already used half a freakin' tank and I've barely gone 150mi.
The good news is I don't have to have the flywheel replaced, apparently. That should save me some money.
The good news is I don't have to have the flywheel replaced, apparently. That should save me some money.
#19
Re: HCH-I Clutch Replacement
Just to clear up a misconception - there *is* a separate flywheel on IMA-equipped cars. It's located in back of the IMA motor.
Remember, Honda in their wisdom provided a separate conventional gear reduction starter, should the IMA system fail or be prevented from starting the car due to temperature extremes. For those of you in colder climates, you may have even heard it engage once or twice (I heard it once, in the Accord).
I checked my service manual for the Civic to make sure the flywheel was there - it is.
I'd be worried about the flywheel being grooved - usually, it's the teeth on the thing that you have to worry about. Perhaps you can talk with your mechanic about why the flywheel would become grooved - if not from improper installation or wear of the clutch plate or pressure plates, perhaps it's the operator clutching technique ? (just a suggestion as to the cause, I'm not trying to be disparaging!) It's been a while since I've driven an MT-equipped car (an '88 CRX Si), but I know they can be shifted quite smoothly with practice.
Remember, Honda in their wisdom provided a separate conventional gear reduction starter, should the IMA system fail or be prevented from starting the car due to temperature extremes. For those of you in colder climates, you may have even heard it engage once or twice (I heard it once, in the Accord).
I checked my service manual for the Civic to make sure the flywheel was there - it is.
I'd be worried about the flywheel being grooved - usually, it's the teeth on the thing that you have to worry about. Perhaps you can talk with your mechanic about why the flywheel would become grooved - if not from improper installation or wear of the clutch plate or pressure plates, perhaps it's the operator clutching technique ? (just a suggestion as to the cause, I'm not trying to be disparaging!) It's been a while since I've driven an MT-equipped car (an '88 CRX Si), but I know they can be shifted quite smoothly with practice.
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