'05 FEH- Several Questions
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I think our cars operate different than the 10+. He says he has assist all the way up a highway ramp but I lose electric on acceleration after about 15-20mph unless I accelerate really slow. When I let off the gas and I'm under 40mph I can go back into electric and stay there maintaining. Taking off from stop lights even at a moderate pace also pops on the engine. I'm guessing the 07 and below are similar but you would be able to confirm. The 10+ strategy doesn't seem any better since I get similar MPG.
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I think our cars operate different than the 10+. He says he has assist all the way up a highway ramp but I lose electric on acceleration after about 15-20mph unless I accelerate really slow. When I let off the gas and I'm under 40mph I can go back into electric and stay there maintaining. Taking off from stop lights even at a moderate pace also pops on the engine. I'm guessing the 07 and below are similar but you would be able to confirm. The 10+ strategy doesn't seem any better since I get similar MPG.
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I have been using Forscan for years. Always had connection issues. The best way I have found to use it is to get the hardwired USB cable listed on the Forscan site.
I also bought a 20-ft USB extension cable. This lets me use the desktop PC I keep in the garage.
For the OP, I also recommend buying a ScanGage. It will give you 4 realtime gages of your choice. Mine right now shows instant MPG, SOC, Battery voltage, and water temp.
It will also scan for codes, which is handy when that wrench light comes on while you are driving. Read the code, use your phone to find out what the code means, then clear the code with the ScanGage.
My 2008 has a battery that is well past the Use By date. Max SOC is 54%. If it sits overnight it can drop to 20%. If I don't drive it for 2 days it will drop below 10%. On the 3rd day it might not start. If I go on vacation I have to get a family member to drive it every other day for me..
I also bought a 20-ft USB extension cable. This lets me use the desktop PC I keep in the garage.
For the OP, I also recommend buying a ScanGage. It will give you 4 realtime gages of your choice. Mine right now shows instant MPG, SOC, Battery voltage, and water temp.
It will also scan for codes, which is handy when that wrench light comes on while you are driving. Read the code, use your phone to find out what the code means, then clear the code with the ScanGage.
My 2008 has a battery that is well past the Use By date. Max SOC is 54%. If it sits overnight it can drop to 20%. If I don't drive it for 2 days it will drop below 10%. On the 3rd day it might not start. If I go on vacation I have to get a family member to drive it every other day for me..
Scangauge is really old school from the days when android phones/tablets weren't plentiful. A $20 BT OBDII w/ torque on an old phone or android radio beats it any day. The cheapest scangauge is like $170.
I don't see the needle in assist either tho.
Electric assist and EV mode are not the same thing
I wish I had some sort of code so I know where to look. I get into EV just fine, just very slow acceleration to get to 15-20 mph. My issue is I'm not getting proper assist, it'll charge instead of going to assist when gunning it. If my readings are correct, my battery seems to be healthy. I wonder if other factors are in play here. I get a front clicking sound as I turn left and sometimes as I turn right. Indicative of a bad CV joint or axle. I haven't noticed any tears or grease though and I just had my mechanic change out my wheel bearings 2 months ago and he hasn't noticed anything amiss. I wonder if that would have any effect as there might be an issue transferring power to the wheels.
I wish I had some sort of code so I know where to look. I get into EV just fine, just very slow acceleration to get to 15-20 mph. My issue is I'm not getting proper assist, it'll charge instead of going to assist when gunning it. If my readings are correct, my battery seems to be healthy. I wonder if other factors are in play here. I get a front clicking sound as I turn left and sometimes as I turn right. Indicative of a bad CV joint or axle. I haven't noticed any tears or grease though and I just had my mechanic change out my wheel bearings 2 months ago and he hasn't noticed anything amiss. I wonder if that would have any effect as there might be an issue transferring power to the wheels.
You'll notice that we don't have many '05 owners who post updates about their cars any longer. The batteries reach end of life and the system tries to keep going as long as it can, but eventually they all gradually degrade and stop working. It's a good time to start investigating either a new (used) battery or selling the car. I think you're working under the common misconception that "rechargeable battery" means "it lasts forever." They don't. Sorry for the Debbie Downer response.
Last edited by AlexK; Aug 8, 2021 at 06:22 PM.
I wish I had some sort of code so I know where to look. I get into EV just fine, just very slow acceleration to get to 15-20 mph. My issue is I'm not getting proper assist, it'll charge instead of going to assist when gunning it. If my readings are correct, my battery seems to be healthy. I wonder if other factors are in play here. I get a front clicking sound as I turn left and sometimes as I turn right. Indicative of a bad CV joint or axle. I haven't noticed any tears or grease though and I just had my mechanic change out my wheel bearings 2 months ago and he hasn't noticed anything amiss. I wonder if that would have any effect as there might be an issue transferring power to the wheels.
Your car may not ever throw a code, or at least not for a while still. If the battery voltage is above 300 - even if the SoC is barely above 0% - that is enough to start the ICE and the system will attempt to keep the car running and charge the battery using the ICE+motor generator and regnerative braking. It does not tell you: "This battery is worn out" - it just tries to keep moving. You say you are new to Hybrids but you have an old Hybrid and at 16 years old, defunct HV batteries are commonplace. Particularly if you bought the car used after several owners and you do not know the maintenance history and live in a hot climate.
Last edited by AlexK; Aug 8, 2021 at 06:02 PM.
The only other thing I can think of is take it to S Keith in Arizona or find a shop that really knows the car and have them try to diagnose the lack of assist. It's either the battery or the traction motor/transaxle itself. Neither is fun. I think if it was the motor you would see codes.
Last edited by AlexK; Aug 8, 2021 at 06:05 PM.
His SOC is excessively high though. Car is charging up and not using the battery. Avg of 70s. I wouldn't change the CV until you figure that part out. Dunno what else, update the PCM?
So the system thinks it's 'nominal' but the energy is almost a 1-way street.
Ford dealer? New BCM? I'm totally stumped.



