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Tim K 12-15-2006 07:03 AM

FEH/MMH computer learning to deal with 10% ethanol?
 
Sometime in November I can only assume the local stations started using 10% ethanol blends for the winter. I base this on the fact that my mileage suddenly went from about 30mpg to about 26mpg. It stayed low through about 2+ tanks of gas. Now I am on to my 3rd tank and my mileage is starting to creep back up over 28mpg. Is it safe to assume that the "system" is learning to burn the blended fuel and that my mileage is now recovering???

TeeSter 12-15-2006 08:10 AM

Re: FEH/MMH computer learning to deal with 10% ethanol?
 

Originally Posted by Tim K (Post 102975)
Sometime in November I can only assume the local stations started using 10% ethanol blends for the winter. I base this on the fact that my mileage suddenly went from about 30mpg to about 26mpg. It stayed low through about 2+ tanks of gas. Now I am on to my 3rd tank and my mileage is starting to creep back up over 28mpg. Is it safe to assume that the "system" is learning to burn the blended fuel and that my mileage is now recovering???

Maybe... but here in MI it was extremely cold a ways back... and now its up into the 50's and my gas mileage has followed suit. If the temps have done the same thing in your area, I'd suspect that has more to do with it.

ralph_dog 12-15-2006 08:27 AM

Re: FEH/MMH computer learning to deal with 10% ethanol?
 
TeeSter is correct. It probably has more to do with the warmer temps here in the NE. Ethanol reformulated fuel has less energy than the old MTBE blend so mpg will be lower. PA may have adopted 10% ethanol on a full time basis just as here in MA, which began last summer. Ever since then, my mpg have been lower, mid 40's vs low 50's.

WaltPA 12-15-2006 08:43 AM

Re: FEH/MMH computer learning to deal with 10% ethanol?
 
Yea, the same thing happen to me. I got a tank of 10%, just as the cold temps happened.

My mileage has started to rebound, but not only have the temps risen, I have also gotten a new tank of gas (and this pump said nothing about it being 10% ethanol).

occ 12-15-2006 11:14 AM

Re: FEH/MMH computer learning to deal with 10% ethanol?
 

Originally Posted by WaltPA (Post 102991)
Yea, the same thing happen to me. I got a tank of 10%, just as the cold temps happened.

My mileage has started to rebound, but not only have the temps risen, I have also gotten a new tank of gas (and this pump said nothing about it being 10% ethanol).

Does gas stations required to say they are 10%? I wonder who one can talk to about when 10% ethanol gets mandated, and where, and how long, etc.

WaltPA 12-15-2006 11:22 AM

Re: FEH/MMH computer learning to deal with 10% ethanol?
 

Originally Posted by occ (Post 103016)
Does gas stations required to say they are 10%? I wonder who one can talk to about when 10% ethanol gets mandated, and where, and how long, etc.

The pump I used 3 weeks ago, had a sticker on is that stated something like "Contains 10% Ethanol" and some disclaimer.

I assume if there is no such sticker, it's just gas. No?

Tim K 12-15-2006 12:14 PM

Re: FEH/MMH computer learning to deal with 10% ethanol?
 
Actually, I think the stickers say "Contains UP TO 10% Ethanol". Actual content can vary from station to station.

I still say the vehicle appears to adapt to the Ethanol as temperatures here have been pretty constant and my MPG has not.

gpsman1 12-19-2006 09:58 PM

Re: FEH/MMH computer learning to deal with 10% ethanol?
 
The rules varry from state to state.
Some states require ethanol blends to be labeled, and some do not, since ALL cars are fully capable of using 10%.

FYI MOST cars post 1997 can use up to 30% ethanol, but you won't see it listed in any manual, because it will lower MPG. But hey, if you make your own ethanol, or can get it free, go with 30%!


Originally Posted by occ (Post 103016)
Does gas stations required to say they are 10%? I wonder who one can talk to about when 10% ethanol gets mandated, and where, and how long, etc.


Pravus Prime 12-20-2006 04:04 PM

Re: FEH/MMH computer learning to deal with 10% ethanol?
 

Originally Posted by gpsman1 (Post 103480)
The rules varry from state to state.
Some states require ethanol blends to be labeled, and some do not, since ALL cars are fully capable of using 10%.

FYI MOST cars post 1997 can use up to 30% ethanol, but you won't see it listed in any manual, because it will lower MPG. But hey, if you make your own ethanol, or can get it free, go with 30%!



:P But I don't want Ethanol in my tank, I want gas for range! It was amazing the difference that can make. When I filled up at Hybridfest to come back to MI, the less Ethanol content made a very noticible difference.


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