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gpsman1 02-06-2008 07:55 AM

Re: Does E85 gel in the winter?
 

Originally Posted by spinner (Post 160879)
What? You're not alluding to weird numbers, now, are you?

No. But thanks for the interesting post. I enjoy trivia like that.
:D

It is "legal" to call a 70% ethanol mixture "E85" in winter... but I (we) don't have proof (yet) that any stations actually do this. Financially, it is a disadvantage for them to do so. ( there's more margin on ethanol than gas right now )

I just ordered a precise 100ml "mixing cylinder" online ( $32 ) and I will start testing the fuel at stations across the corn belt for actual ethanol content, and I will post my findings. Since I travel 9 states regularly, I should get a diverse sample. I will test both E85 and E10.
-John

bwilson4web 02-06-2008 08:08 AM

Re: Does E85 gel in the winter?
 

Originally Posted by gpsman1 (Post 160926)
. . .
I just ordered a precise 100ml "mixing cylinder" online ( $32 ) and I will start testing the fuel at stations across the corn belt for actual ethanol content, and I will post my findings. Since I travel 9 states regularly, I should get a diverse sample. I will test both E85 and E10.

If you could somehow rig up a gas sample port (or just a long tube to draw a sample,) you could monitor your tank ethanol value and based upon a pump sample, adjust the mix to maintain E30. A little involved but heck, "you might be a hybrid owner . . . "

Bob Wilson

MiaTurbo 02-06-2008 01:39 PM

Re: Does E85 gel in the winter?
 

Originally Posted by gpsman1 (Post 160926)
No. But thanks for the interesting post. I enjoy trivia like that.
:D

It is "legal" to call a 70% ethanol mixture "E85" in winter... but I (we) don't have proof (yet) that any stations actually do this. Financially, it is a disadvantage for them to do so. ( there's more margin on ethanol than gas right now )

I just ordered a precise 100ml "mixing cylinder" online ( $32 ) and I will start testing the fuel at stations across the corn belt for actual ethanol content, and I will post my findings. Since I travel 9 states regularly, I should get a diverse sample. I will test both E85 and E10.
-John

well, I actually did something simple, I actually called the station I go to and asked. he said they use E85 year round. but then he said they add additives to keep it from gelling up in winter?.. so...

gpsman1 02-10-2008 03:29 PM

Re: Does E85 gel in the winter?
 
E85 only contains 70% ethanol in Minnesota in winter.
I tested it myself, and also confirmed it by calling company HQ of one gas chain. See " How to blend your own fuel" thread.
https://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/...-should-16411/

-John

Tim K 02-11-2008 10:44 AM

Re: Does E85 gel in the winter?
 

Originally Posted by MiaTurbo (Post 160951)
well, I actually did something simple, I actually called the station I go to and asked. he said they use E85 year round. but then he said they add additives to keep it from gelling up in winter?.. so...

I don't buy it....and just because a station employee said it doesn't make it any more believable. They probably do use additives but perhaps they are for something else and he is confused. Maybe he is thinking about biodiesel?

Gasoline doesn't gel at those temps. Ethanol doesn't gel at those temps. I can't see why E85 or E70 would.


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