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A 40-45 second window
Hi,
I've found a way to improve my evening commute mileage that works for my NHW11 and should work for the NHW20. It requires parking so you can reach a speed of 38 mph (60 km/h) within the 40-45 seconds it takes for the catalytic converter to light-off. PROTOCOL
BACKGROUND This trick exploits a limit on engine fuel consumption found in the mass air flow rate before catalytic light-off:
Sad to say but I can't use this trick in my 25 mph (40 km/h) neighborhood. There I have to maximize use of "N" to let the ICE coolant(*) warm-up until it reaches 70 C. Bob Wilson * - the engine block heater adds 10 C and I have a thermistor hack that jumps the indicated coolant temperature from 40 to 70 C. But this driving trick works when there is no EBH plug or you don't have my thermistor hack. |
Re: A 40-45 second window
*bows* Not worthy
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Re: A 40-45 second window
bwilson4web — I find similar behavior in my TCH. Interestingly, I find that in above-freezing weather, the ICE goes closed-loop within a second or two after starting. (In sub-freezing weather, it can take 30 s or more before the ICE goes closed-loop.) This must mean that the fuel/air ratio is actually being feedback controlled almost immediately after start-up, although the quick-warm-up strategy (spark fully retarded, engine at fast idle, NiMH battery power assist to the wheels) that you refer to persists for another 30-45 seconds after the ICE goes closed-loop. If this is the time required for the catalytic converter to reach operating temperature, I guess this means that the catalytic converter isn't required to be in the feedback loop in order to control the fuel/air ratio stoichiometrically. Does this make sense?
Stan |
Re: A 40-45 second window
Hi Stan,
Originally Posted by SPL
(Post 193171)
bwilson4web — I find similar behavior in my TCH. Interestingly, I find that in above-freezing weather, the ICE goes closed-loop within a second or two after starting. (In sub-freezing weather, it can take 30 s or more before the ICE goes closed-loop.) This must mean that the fuel/air ratio is actually being feedback controlled almost immediately after start-up, although the quick-warm-up strategy (spark fully retarded, engine at fast idle, NiMH battery power assist to the wheels) that you refer to persists for another 30-45 seconds after the ICE goes closed-loop. If this is the time required for the catalytic converter to reach operating temperature, I guess this means that the catalytic converter isn't required to be in the feedback loop in order to control the fuel/air ratio stoichiometrically. Does this make sense?
I have not idea how the Camry achieves early closed-loop without a working O_{2} sensor. Bob Wilson |
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Bob,
EBH preheat and thermistor modification... Wouldn't either or both of these techniques have the effect, HIGH potential for, foreshortening the life of the catalyst..?? Doesn't either of these technique have the effect of elongating the time for the catalyst to reach fully optimal operating temperature...?? It seems to me that the object of both techniques is to fool the ECU into going into closed loop A/F mixture control prematurely, before the catalyst has been optimized for this leaner, low emissions, mixture. |
Re: A 40-45 second window
Originally Posted by wwest
(Post 193247)
EBH preheat and thermistor modification...
Wouldn't either or both of these techniques have the effect, HIGH potential for, foreshortening the life of the catalyst..??
Originally Posted by wwest
(Post 193247)
Doesn't either of these technique have the effect of elongating the time for the catalyst to reach fully optimal operating temperature...??
Originally Posted by wwest
(Post 193247)
It seems to me that the object of both techniques is to fool the ECU into going into closed loop A/F mixture control prematurely, before the catalyst has been optimized for this leaner, low emissions, mixture.
Bob Wilson |
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The TCH also has two sensors, like the Prius, one before and one after the catalytic converter. The first of these is called the air/fuel ratio sensor, while the second is called the heated oxygen sensor. See the attached PDF from the New Car Features Guide. Your speculation, that just the former of these (in conjunction with the mass air flow sensor in the intake manifold) is all that is required to control the air/fuel ratio, would be my guess for why my TCH goes closed-loop very rapidly (as measured by ScanGaugeII).
Stan |
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How does the scan gauge determine that it is in 'closed loop' mode?
I have a Graham scanner and can monitor both O_{2} sensor outputs and something called "Fuel Trim." Bob Wilson |
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It's one of the standard signals carried on the CAN bus, that any ScanGauge can automatically read. No special coding is required to read this information.
Stan |
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