Re: Cadillac will get hybrid Escalade
>>what an incredible waste of technology and natural resources A 25% improvement in an SUV will save more gasoline than the same 25% improvement in a smaller car. People buy an SUV because it fits their lifestyle better, a 6ft 5inch person is not going to be comfortable in a compact car. Instead of criticizing their choices, we should be trying to steer them to make better choices by offering them more efficient alternatives. I accept that a certain percentage of people will continue driving SUVs, so I think a hybrid SUV makes sense. |
Re: Cadillac will get hybrid Escalade
It only really makes sense if you discontinue the non-hybrid version, otherwise it's a token effort. That won't happen, but I really wish they would suck it up and do what's best.
Same with their current super-mild hybrid. If that was on every new GM truck sold it would be saving tons of fuel instead of being merely lipservice and PR. Oh well. Remember, SUVs are SAFE: http://www.mjmorningshow.com/timages...icle_fatal.wmv |
Re: Cadillac will get hybrid Escalade
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what's the motivation behind the citgo sig? Citgo: - 100% New World sourced - leading provider of E85 and other alt fuels outside the cornbelt - giving free/subsidized heating oil to needy families in NE - fully owned by Hugo Chavez & co. I'm no fan of the neo-lefties in SA, but for a bigoil player they're doing fair amount of good stuff. |
Re: Cadillac will get hybrid Escalade
Originally Posted by gonavy
what's the motivation behind the citgo sig?
Citgo: - 100% New World sourced - leading provider of E85 and other alt fuels outside the cornbelt - giving free/subsidized heating oil to needy families in NE - fully owned by Hugo Chavez & co. |
Re: Cadillac will get hybrid Escalade
Originally Posted by nospam
>>what an incredible waste of technology and natural resources A 25% improvement in an SUV will save more gasoline than the same 25% improvement in a smaller car. People buy an SUV because it fits their lifestyle better, a 6ft 5inch person is not going to be comfortable in a compact car. Instead of criticizing their choices, we should be trying to steer them to make better choices by offering them more efficient alternatives. I accept that a certain percentage of people will continue driving SUVs, so I think a hybrid SUV makes sense. |
Re: Cadillac will get hybrid Escalade
The large, heavy vehicles are exactly where the hybrid design makes the most sense. I understand that tree-huggers (I am one) are opposed to the kind of waste typified by an Escalade, but people choose to drive them, so let's make them as green as possible.
No one cares much if a car that gets 45 mpg gets 60 mpg as a hybrid. But changing a truck that gets 18 mpg into one that gets 24 has more of an impact on both oil consumption and emissions. Every 20,000 miles, the first conversion saves 278 gallons of gasoline, while the second saves only 111. |
Re: Cadillac will get hybrid Escalade
I totally agree with your greater impact statement, Jim.
I'll agree with grizzy's "holier than thou" attitude in the hybrid community - to an extent. I realize that a Civic is not big enough for everybody, but the average vehicle has gained about 1000 pounds over the last 25 years (feel free to check that fact out....). The most popular vehicle in America is now the pickup truck - do we have an explosion of farmers, ranchers and construction workers? |
Re: Cadillac will get hybrid Escalade
I think you have to support the use of hybrid technology in behemoths if you truly want to improve things. For some years I had a mid-size SUV, but was careful to combine my trips and did a lot of walking. A neighbor had a Civic, but seemed to be driving around in it all day. I'll bet I got more tasks accomplished per gallon than she did.
While I'm sure there are things we should do to make wasteful vehicles less common, denying them green technology isn't one of them. |
Re: Cadillac will get hybrid Escalade
Originally Posted by Delta Flyer
do we have an explosion of farmers, ranchers and construction workers?
I own a Hybrid and I also own a pick-up truck because the truck fits certain needs, like when I need to pick up large items from a store. I guess it would be better if I just let everyone deliver all my large items to me in those great gas saving Ryder-like trucks. I guess I should have bought my Hybrid for the reasons you think are important and not for my own reasons. Hey if GM thinks there is a market for an Escalade that gets 30mpg more power to them. If you want the tech to go main stream, what better place to introduce it, than in the main stream vehicles. I didn't by my Highlander just because it was a Hybrid. I bought it because it had the best combination of room, horsepower, features, AND mpg. Just out of curiousity, I notice you are in the Dallas area, how many days a week you take the DART and/or public transportation? |
Re: Cadillac will get hybrid Escalade
Actually, the lack of a decent hybrid pickup truck is the main reason I don't own a pickup truck. I do actually think trucks (but **NOT** SUVs) are cool.
But... I can't live with the idea of getting 9-12 mpg. Now if GM or Ford somehow manage to produce a pickup w/ 30-35 mpg, I'd buy one. I don't *need* one, so I don't have one now. But if I could satisfy my *want* in a 30-35 mph vehicle, I don't see anything wrong with that! |
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