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Re: FEH OIL CHANGE
I think the mfrs need to recommend oil change intervals that are fine for the average customer - one that keeps the car only 5 years and 80k miles. 7500 or 10k seems to be the norm. [The FEH may be 10k because it uses a synthetic blend???] From a purely business stand point, the mfrs would prefer the cars disintegrate at 90k miles and sell you another one - than they would want the extra oil change business.
If the average customers saw something that told them to change the oil every 4000 miles they might freak-out. (Like the folks who spend $45k on luxury SUVs and repeatedly ask if they really have to spend the extra $200 a year on the premium gas the engines were tuned for) Synthetic oil and/or oil changes every 3500 to 5000 miles are almost a must to us knuckleheads who keep our vehicles more than 15 years and over 200,000 miles,:embarass: |
Re: FEH OIL CHANGE
Actually your dealer wants it both ways--they want you to buy a new car every 50,000 miles AND they want you to change the oil every 3000 miles (at their shop, of course).
If you're using quality oil that meets the proper spec (in the case of the FEH the "930A" spec) and drive under typical conditions there's no reason to change more frequently than what the manual describes. In the case of the FEH that means: 10,000 Miles OR 12 months OR 200 engine-on hours |
Re: FEH OIL CHANGE
If you drive mainly highway miles, which some of us do, then 10,000 miles in a hybrid Escape is 10,000 miles of engine on time.
Does anyone know what the recommended oil change interval is for the 4-cylinder gas only Escape? I'm guessing it is less than 10,000 miles. It's the same basic engine, isn't it? And in highway use the hybrid engine is going to rev as high or higher than the gas only, especially if travelling over hills. So, as far as the engine is concerned, it is running more in terms of revolutions. So, I'm not waiting 10k miles to change my oil. 3k? 5k? 7k? When it is convenient? It's cheap, preventive maintenance - that is the one and only "good reason" I need. I'll do it when I am ready and will have absolutely no guilt about doing it early. |
Re: FEH OIL CHANGE
Originally Posted by glennb
(Post 118753)
I think the mfrs need to recommend oil change intervals that are fine for the average customer - one that keeps the car only 5 years and 80k miles. 7500 or 10k seems to be the norm. [The FEH may be 10k because it uses a synthetic blend???] From a purely business stand point, the mfrs would prefer the cars disintegrate at 90k miles and sell you another one - than they would want the extra oil change business.
If the average customers saw something that told them to change the oil every 4000 miles they might freak-out. (Like the folks who spend $45k on luxury SUVs and repeatedly ask if they really have to spend the extra $200 a year on the premium gas the engines were tuned for) Synthetic oil and/or oil changes every 3500 to 5000 miles are almost a must to us knuckleheads who keep our vehicles more than 15 years and over 200,000 miles,:embarass: |
Re: FEH OIL CHANGE
Originally Posted by denverjay
(Post 118838)
Does anyone know what the recommended oil change interval is for the 4-cylinder gas only Escape? I'm guessing it is less than 10,000 miles. It's the same basic engine, isn't it? And in highway use the hybrid engine is going to rev as high or higher than the gas only, especially if travelling over hills. So, as far as the engine is concerned, it is running more in terms of revolutions.
Nothing really wrong with changing it more often (except creating more motor oil waste.) Frankly as I've said below.... I've kept several cars up into their 100,000+ mile range using the manufacturers oil change intervals.... they've never failed due to engine trouble. Only problem I've had was a torque converter on a Ford Probe. The body usually rots off first. |
Re: FEH OIL CHANGE
Originally Posted by GaryG
(Post 14871)
Has anyone had their oil changed by the dealership or other oil change places? I'm interested in finding out what they charge.
I changed my oil myself the other day and here is a breakdown of my cost. Oil Filter - List price $11.47 paid $6.71 O-Ring - List $9.13 paid $5.34 Motorcraft 930-A 5-20W = $3.00 qt Total 15.00 Total List - $35.60 plus tax My Discount = $27.25 plus tax Tools needed - 13mm wrench, 6mm allan wrench, Small oil filter wrench. Only had 6,627 miles on my FEH but didn't feel I wanted to go to 10,000 on my first oil change. I see no reason to change the oil less than 10,000 miles or every 6 months myself unless you drive getting less than EPA standards. Fresh oil is always better, but I hate big oil playing games with our future. GaryG |
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According to the Ford authored Workshop Manual dated Feb 2006:
Non-hybrid 2.3L Escapes The Normal Maintenance schedule specifies a maximum oil change interval of 5000 miles (3000 miles if under "special operating conditions" - towing, E85, etc.). Hybrid vehicles The Normal Maintenance schedule specifies a maximum oil change interval of 10,000 miles. (I don't remember if this agrees with the owner's manual.) A quick review of the engine specification sheets shows they are dimensionally identical (the major difference is of course in the valve timing to create the Atkinson cycle, and I notice an oil cooler section I don't see right away on the hybrid 2.3L........) I agree with denverjay, if I had to guess I would say that my ICE is on more than 50% of the time...contrary to my best efforts to invoke EV whenever possible using "L", double-tap, etc. I am going to stick with my 5K oil change intervals and I will probably stay with AMSOil XL 5W-20 (it references the Ford Spec WSS-M2C930-A right on the bottle) Like GaryG relates, I find the motorcraft filter elements come with the O-rings and are competitively priced, even from my dealer. To each, his own. Hopefully my ICE will last through at least two Sanyos. |
Re: FEH OIL CHANGE
Originally Posted by TeeSter
(Post 118848)
The difference is its not running during idle times.... and the RPMs probably aren't that different at highway speed.... the gas only 4cylinder will have to rev like heck at highway speed too.
Nothing really wrong with changing it more often (except creating more motor oil waste.) Frankly as I've said below.... I've kept several cars up into their 100,000+ mile range using the manufacturers oil change intervals.... they've never failed due to engine trouble. Only problem I've had was a torque converter on a Ford Probe. The body usually rots off first. I don't consider a couple extra oil changes a year to be generating too much oil waste. Besides, mine goes to a place that burns it to heat water for a carwash. I am planning on well over 100k miles with this car so an extra $40-$50 a year in maintenance is a good investment I think. |
Re: FEH OIL CHANGE
I have been thinking for a while I would like to have an engine hour meter.
In the city, in ideal weather, my ICE runs for about 12 minutes per hour. My brother flies planes. In planes, there is something like an RPM counter. Since sitting idle on the tarmac is 50% of some plane engine's lives... this obviously creates less wear than full throttle cruising. The first meter will be easy to find... the second one, I think would be more difficult. Help finding one of these would be appreciated. :)-John |
Re: FEH OIL CHANGE
Hi,
If you do it your self, how do you reset the "Change Engine Oil Now" on the Dash???:confused: |
Re: FEH OIL CHANGE
Originally Posted by reneauone
(Post 119185)
Hi,
If you do it your self, how do you reset the "Change Engine Oil Now" on the Dash???:confused: pg 103 of the '06 manual..... |
Re: FEH OIL CHANGE
GPSman1 wrote:
"With full synthetic oil, you can change oil every 15,000 miles." And "I used Mobil 1 and took it 15,000 miles the second time, and the oil was still in good shape. Visually, it was still clean, dark-tan colored, and translucent, after 12 months and 15,000 miles." This he wrote in another tread, but I thought of restating it here. Even though I agree that full synthetic oil last longer than non synthetic oil, I would still not recommend going to 15,000 miles between oil changes. This is mainly because Ford recommends part synthetic and a max of 10,000 miles between oil changes. When I took my FEH in for the reflash of the PCM, I had about ~9,500 miles on Mobil One 5-20W oil. The Tech said all my fluids looked good, but said my oil looked like it was needing a change. It so happen I was going to change that oil the weekend my FEH broke and had the oil and filter ready to go. I personally would not exceed the max miles of 10,000, even with Mobil One with the low RPM's and amount of EV driving I do. Does Mobil One oil say it's okay to exceed manufacture specs between oil changes? GaryG |
Re: FEH OIL CHANGE
Originally Posted by GaryG
(Post 119936)
GPSman1 wrote:
Does Mobil One oil say it's okay to exceed manufacture specs between oil changes? GaryG In the fine print Mobil reccommends following manufactuer's oil change interval during the warranty period, after that, 5000 miles for Dino oils, 7500 miles for blended oils, and 15,000 miles for extended performance MOBIL 1, no matter what the manufacturer says, and they warrant your car against damage if you follow this OCI. |
Re: FEH OIL CHANGE
From Mobil: And this is for REGULAR cars. Hybrids are much more gentle on oil.
To achieve the best peace of mind related to engine protection, many vehicle owners change their engine oils every 3,000 to 4,000 miles. Is this practice rendered meaningless with the advent of the Mobil high-endurance oils? http://www.mobil1.com/USA-English/Mo...ges/spacer.gif "Consumers can have peace of mind knowing the guaranteed performance and protection intervals of the Mobil line of high-endurance oils. Mobil Clean 5000, Mobil Clean 7500, and Mobil 1 Extended Performance protect critical engine parts from lubricant-related failure for 5,000/7,500/15,000 miles -- guaranteed." FYI Mobil Clean 5000 is Dino oil. Mobil Clean 7500 is blended oil. Moibil 1 is full synthetic oil. Mobil Clean 7500, the blended one, would most closely match stock oil. And FORD says this type of oil is good for 10,000 miles in our special engine situation. |
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